8-11 batsman most likely to next score a Test century?

[Matt79]

I was thinking before... could Jerome Taylor have been the first ever batsman to make his only century in any form of cricket (i.e., not just FC/List A recognised stuff) in a Test?

Someone of his calibre may well have hit one while at school, but given he generally just throws the bat around, don't think it would be completely out of the question to suggest he never had one before.

Jason Gillespie?

EDIT: Nup, three FC centuries, to his one test one.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Jason Gillespie?

Gillespie confirmed that it was his first ever hundred on Fox Sports iirc.

 

[Matt79]

But subsequently went on to score a couple more in County IIRC

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Made one for SA as well, last season.

 

[Prince EWS]

But subsequently went on to score a couple more in County IIRC

Scored one for SA too, I'm pretty sure.

EDIT: Beaten.

 

[Richard]

I was thinking before... could Jerome Taylor have been the first ever batsman to make his only century in any form of cricket (i.e., not just FC/List A recognised stuff) in a Test?

Someone of his calibre may well have hit one while at school, but given he generally just throws the bat around, don't think it would be completely out of the question to suggest he never had one before.

Unfortunately the only way to find-out would be to ask every batsman who ever made 1 Test century (which was their only First-Class century and who either never played List-A OD cricket because it hadn't been invented or who never made one there) whether they ever made one at school or for their club. Which might just be a tad impossible.

I'd have to doubt Taylor would be the first TBF. I'd not rule-out the possibility of it never having happened. If you're good enough to make a Test century, the chances are you're going to have played enough organised cricket at various levels to have been almost certain to have hit one somewhere, sometime.

Jerome Taylor would be a pretty reasonable five\six batsman at English league second\third-XI level, and given the number of injuries he's had, I find it quite unlikely he'd never have played at such levels in West Indies (where club cricket is of a considerably lower standard).

 

[andyc]

He'd definitely be one of the only players to have a test century before even a FC fifty, I reckon.

 

[pskov]

Unfortunately the only way to find-out would be to ask every batsman who ever made 1 Test century (which was their only First-Class century and who either never played List-A OD cricket because it hadn't been invented or who never made one there) whether they ever made one at school or for their club. Which might just be a tad impossible.

I'd have to doubt Taylor would be the first TBF. I'd not rule-out the possibility of it never having happened. If you're good enough to make a Test century, the chances are you're going to have played enough organised cricket at various levels to have been almost certain to have hit one somewhere, sometime.

Jerome Taylor would be a pretty reasonable five\six batsman at English league second\third-XI level, and given the number of injuries he's had, I find it quite unlikely he'd never have played at such levels in West Indies (where club cricket is of a considerably lower standard).

I'm pretty confident that at second-XI level he'd be batting at 3 or 4. Even before this knock he'd made a first-class 40 which is better than most at that level could ever hope to achieve, not to mention quite a few in a club first-XI.

 

[Blakey]

I've noticed that lots of people lately have an over-inflated view of Timmy's batting ability. This is mainly based on his fireworks against England in his debut test. That innings was basically just slogging, at a point in the match when it was inconsequential, and thus there was no pressure etc. And England were basically just bowling **** and waiting for him to make a mistake.

I've played against him during school cricket, and trained with him. He is a tailender. I wouldn't be surprised if that 80-odd he scored in his debut test is his highest test score when he retires.

All that said, he is a magnificent bowler.

Completely agree with you. I've often wondered what certain people on here have been 'boofing' on about regarding Southee's batting. His first innings and each subsequent one after his 'hit out', have shown him to have bugger all batting ability.

 

[roseboy64]

Taylor doesn't bat at 3 or 4 for his club. Bats at around 7 or 8 IIRC.

 

[pskov]

Taylor doesn't bat at 3 or 4 for his club. Bats at around 7 or 8 IIRC.

Yeah, but I think in a second XI he would be middle order at least.

 

[roseboy64]

Maybe but only over the last year or two. Before that he wasn't much flash with the bat.

 

[chaminda_00]

Indeed, particularly finger spinners. To say he should be selected on anything other than a massive seamer is wrong as a result, though. He's not needed to add variety to the attack given Vettori already offers a spin option and he's simply not as effective as O'Brien, Martin, Mills, Franklin or Southee on 99% of the surfaces New Zealand play on.

I really enjoy watching Patel bowl in Tests but the sad truth of the matter is the fact that most pitches at international level currently render him almost useless.

The counter arguement is that the likes of Mills, Southee and co are fairly average (I wouldn't say usless) on pitches that don't offer much to in terms of seam movement. If it is a flat track that doesn't offer much for seamers I would go for Patel personally over most NZ quicks, if picking a team for bowling only and not taking into account what they offer with the bat.

 

[chaminda_00]

Chaminda, that's a few posts of yours that have been called out now .

I take it that you're obviously trying to get a reaction from people and cause some trouble with NZ members of the forum. Don't do it please.

Meh

Surely the smiley indicates it I wasn't serious. If you can't see that then your over sensitive imo.

 

[Flem274*]

Problem is seamers here that have the pace to be quite good on most pitches are quite adept at chucking pies so they are too crap to be selected (Sherlock, Bennet and their buddies).

Basically, few of our bowlers (spin and seam) have learnt how to bowl on wide varieties of pitches consistently. O'Brien, Oram and a couple of others are the only ones who really can (Mills made a good job last test though).

 

[Prince EWS]

The counter arguement is that the likes of Mills, Southee and co are fairly average (I wouldn't say usless) on pitches that don't offer much to in terms of seam movement. If it is a flat track that doesn't offer much for seamers I would go for Patel personally over most NZ quicks, if picking a team for bowling only and not taking into account what they offer with the bat.

I just flat-out disagree with that TBH. Mills, Southee and co are far superior to Patel on "neutral" pitches IMO.

 

[Flem274*]

I just flat-out disagree with that TBH. Mills, Southee and co are far superior to Patel on "neutral" pitches IMO.

If there's no swing for Southee then he's as bad as Patel really. Mills is useful though.

Patel's trying to bowl doosra's apparently, but he's having chucking problems, as Sinclair pointed out...

 

[Prince EWS]

If there's no swing for Southee then he's as bad as Patel really.

Well yeah, but Southee's not in the team anyway, and new-ball swing (which is what he gets) isn't really pitch-dependent as such.

Patel's trying to bowl doosra's apparently, but he's having chucking problems, as Sinclair pointed out...

Oh, so you thought the fact that I had decided to rip into Patel in this thread was a coincidence then?

 

[Athlai]

Have to disagree with you guys there, when their is nothing in it for the bowlers Patel is a far far better option than Mills and Southee. When England toured here Jeeves and Vettori bowled some amazingly high pressure spells and only a few drops and a bit of English luck meant that more wickets weren't taken. Meanwhile Mills and Southee look completely tame without the pitch offering them anything. Mills doesn't have the pace and Southee is still trying to find his feet.

That said if the pitch offered even the tiniest hint of something both Mills and Southee could get a bag of wickets which is something Jeeves just can't do as much as I love the bloke. But when it offers nothing Jeets is your man.

 

[Flem274*]

Gillespie tbh.

Give O'Brien the new ball, see if he can get some movement going.

Will be watching Eden Park Outer Oval games with interest, 5-fers there mean you can bowl in absurdly batsman friendly conditions. At least Napier offers reward if you are quick or can make use of swing, or are accurate. State Highway 1 doesn't belong in such a small ground.