8-11 batsman most likely to next score a Test century?

[chaminda_00]

Nah anyone that watches the NZ side lately knows Patel > an NZ seamer. If Dion Nash and co stop playing beach cricket and watch some cricket they would know as well.

 

[Craig]

How about we go and create threads and insult every single Sri Lankan cricketer as well?

 

[Flem274*]

That shows you how little averages mean. Vettori is by far NZ best bowler, but has their worst average. Though Patel is also by par the 2nd best bowler and doesn't get selected. Maybe they could have a side better then FC standard if they selected their best players.

Patel the second best bowler? In short, no way.

Patel, with all due respect to Athlai, has never done much despite being used generally on favourable surfaces. Try looking at O'Briens test record since recall and Mills since Hamilton 08. Franklin is also a very good swing bowler on form, which hei sn't atm.

If you think that Patel is NZs second best bowler by far, then not only are you in a extremely small minority you are also very very wrong but as I know you do like to stick to your opinions (which is fine) there is no point in me arguing with you. Our bowlers have done a very fine job for us genrally since the England home series, and to dispute that is like saying smoking doesn't kill, because the results are staring you in the face.

 

[Flem274*]

How about we go and create threads and insult every single Sri Lankan cricketer as well?

Troll mode to combat wrong mode? *troll mode*

 

[Athlai]

Patel is the 2nd best bowler in NZ.

 

[Craig]

Troll mode to combat wrong mode? *troll mode*

Look I think he is a decent poster, but it does get quite tiresome having to read it post after post after post. Yeah we're crap, we know already

 

[chaminda_00]

Patel the second best bowler? In short, no way.

Patel, with all due respect to Athlai, has never done much despite being used generally on favourable surfaces. Try looking at O'Briens test record since recall and Mills since Hamilton 08. Franklin is also a very good swing bowler on form, which hei sn't atm.

If you think that Patel is NZs second best bowler by far, then not only are you in a extremely small minority you are also very very wrong but as I know you do like to stick to your opinions (which is fine) there is no point in me arguing with you. Our bowlers have done a very fine job for us genrally since the England home series, and to dispute that is like saying smoking doesn't kill, because the results are staring you in the face.

There is one thing playing on favourable surfaces which is something most of NZ quicks do at homes and to an extent away. But it is another thing being used well on favourable surfaces. Patel has generally always been used quite poor imo when he played with Vettori as 2nd spinner. Vettori as captain seems better captaining seamers then spinners (including himself).

There is more to an ability of a bowler then their final record. Even though it was quite funny watching Mills' average jump up to 50 odd prior to the Hamilton Test. Anyone who watched him ball could tell he was a lot better bowler and capable of making it at Test level. Even just the bare level of Test standard.

Patel might not be the 2nd best bowler in NZ. But he should be in the final XI, unless it a massive seamer. Personally if you don't see that your looking too much at stats rather then their performances.

 

[Flem274*]

Patel is the 2nd best bowler in NZ.

Minority of two.

Don't worry, I'm in one too. Iain O'Brien is currently the second best bowler in NZ.

 

[Athlai]

I'll be in my own little world for months now.

Patel is number 2 Patel is number 2

 

[Flem274*]

There is one thing playing on favourable surfaces which is something most of NZ quicks do at homes and to an extent away. But it is another thing being used well on favourable surfaces. Patel has generally always been used quite poor imo when he played with Vettori as 2nd spinner. Vettori as captain seems better captaining seamers then spinners (including himself).

There is more to an ability of a bowler then their final record. Even though it was quite funny watching Mills' average jump up to 50 odd prior to the Hamilton Test. Anyway who watched him ball could tell he was a lot better bowler and capable of making it at Test level. Even just the bare level of Test standard.

Patel might not be the 2nd best bowler in NZ. But he should be in the final XI, unless it a massive seamer. Personally if you don't see that your looking too much at stats rather then their performances.

From what I've watched (no stats)

Martin: pfft, everyone knows what I think of him. Highly over-rated.

O'Brien: consistent, never tiring, can bowl on anything and pick up wickets. Hasn't been devastating but he's very reliable and he's an important cog in our bowling.

Franklin: On form he's the second best NZ bowler easily.

Southee: only effective when there's something going for him.

Mills: Very dangerous when its swinging, when its not he's an OK bowler.

Gillespie: depends which version turns up.

Oram: like O'Brien bar the never tiring bit.

Patel: Handy, hasn't taken advantage of favourable conditions, will be interesting on the Indian tour. Probably didn't deserve a call up aheado f others. Has potential but with the current first XI (meaning no Gillespie) doing well there's no need for him.

There is definitely a good argument for his inclusion but he's not the second best NZ bowler. Our bowling is fine, its that goddamn batting.

 

[chaminda_00]

On form I would have Franklin and Martin ahead. Though Franklin clearly not in form with the ball, maybe with the bat in domestic cricket. O'Brien looks to me like he is very consistent but will never be much more. Mills and Southee struggle when it not swing or seamer, Mills to lesser extent. So really it a toss up between Mills and Patel, depending on the conditions, Though with the way Frankin is bowling, it really shouldn't be any questions.

 

[Flem274*]

Franklins been bowling alright on flat domestic pitches, which he generally never does, so I think he deserves more than one game.

As I said, there is an argument for Patels selection, but before now there has been no real need, and with us getting wickets before taking the foot off the throat on a flat pitch its not an emergency atm. Mills did bowl well today in unfavourable conditions, so he is getting a lot better on tougher pitches.

 

[James]

tbf I don't think he played a FC/List A bowling attack worse then this.

West Indies U19s > New Zealand

Chaminda, that's a few posts of yours that have been called out now .

I take it that you're obviously trying to get a reaction from people and cause some trouble with NZ members of the forum. Don't do it please.

 

[Richard]

Jerome Taylor.

 

[NUFAN]

Congrats Jerome, awesome!!

 

[Craig]

Jerome Taylor.

Some of the shots he smashed Vettori for six were pretty impressive, even when he had a man on long on boundary. It was some lusty slogging/hitting.

 

[Prince EWS]

There is one thing playing on favourable surfaces which is something most of NZ quicks do at homes and to an extent away. But it is another thing being used well on favourable surfaces. Patel has generally always been used quite poor imo when he played with Vettori as 2nd spinner. Vettori as captain seems better captaining seamers then spinners (including himself).

There is more to an ability of a bowler then their final record. Even though it was quite funny watching Mills' average jump up to 50 odd prior to the Hamilton Test. Anyone who watched him ball could tell he was a lot better bowler and capable of making it at Test level. Even just the bare level of Test standard.

Patel might not be the 2nd best bowler in NZ. But he should be in the final XI, unless it a massive seamer. Personally if you don't see that your looking too much at stats rather then their performances.

Patel is great to watch bowl, but if you actually look at all his performances and not his action, he's absolutely toothless on anything but a real turner.

 

[Uppercut]

Patel is great to watch bowl, but if you actually look at all his performances and not his action, he's absolutely toothless on anything but a real turner.

Most spinners are, tbf.

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

I was thinking before... could Jerome Taylor have been the first ever batsman to make his only century in any form of cricket (i.e., not just FC/List A recognised stuff) in a Test?

Someone of his calibre may well have hit one while at school, but given he generally just throws the bat around, don't think it would be completely out of the question to suggest he never had one before.

 

[Prince EWS]

Most spinners are, tbf.

Indeed, particularly finger spinners. To say he should be selected on anything other than a massive seamer is wrong as a result, though. He's not needed to add variety to the attack given Vettori already offers a spin option and he's simply not as effective as O'Brien, Martin, Mills, Franklin or Southee on 99% of the surfaces New Zealand play on.

I really enjoy watching Patel bowl in Tests but the sad truth of the matter is the fact that most pitches at international level currently render him almost useless.