FaaipDeOiad said:
How Tait, Watson or Bracken can be overrated when they've played virtually no international cricket is beyond me. Tait and Watson are rated as huge talents and nothing more, which is what they are, and their domestic records back this up. If someone is a huge success in domestic cricket, and doesn't play enough international cricket to indicate they aren't up to the increase in standard, how can they have been considered to perform worse than they are rated? It just doesn't make any sense..
so tait and watson were overhyped by you and several others before they bowled a single ball in international cricket? watson the player who will be 'at least as good as flintoff with the bat' despite him having done absolutely nothing yet, tait being part of the so called '2nd best bowling attack in the world' and bracken, the fact that he was even rated is beyond belief. ask hick, he'll tell you that you dont have to play a game at the international level to be overrated.
FaaipDeOiad said:
And, I think several of the players on your list are in fact quite underrated, including Hoggard, Ntini and Bracken.
bracken?
thats an absolute joke. what bracken has done in domestic cricket or international test match cricket that he deserves to be rated is unknown. the fact that he left handed and can swing the ball doesnt make him a half decent bowler, as our friend irfan is finding out.
and ntini, the best bowler in the world not so long ago, who averages nearly 40 away from home.
hoggard too, who time and time again, keeps getting rated for no apparent reason, most recently by you, who said that he'd be the only bowler from the english side to make the australian team. how long its going to take for people to realise that when the ball is not moving about considerably(off the seam or in the air) he is totally and completely useless.
FaaipDeOiad said:
And, on this board at least, Tait and Watson get far less credit than they deserve for their ability, given both were written off as average before they actually did anything wrong. Watson has been rubbished left and right as a crap batsman because he isn't a good number 8 slogger in ODIs, and a crap bowler when in fact he is primarily a top 4 batsman and not a bowler. And Tait was written off as crap because he either has an unorthodox action or he is inaccurate, neither of which stopped him from stunning all opposition at just 22 years of age in his first full domestic season. He might well turn out to be nothing special, but to suggest he hasn't been impressive so far is ludicrous. Ntini is an improving test bowler and a very, very good ODI bowler with a superb economy rate and wicket taking ability better than most, Hoggard is not great but better than he is usually rated (at least here in Australia) and Bracken is improving and extemely dangerous when the ball swings, and at least accurate when it doesn't. He's never going to be a great bowler, but he isn't completely useless either.
i think you seem to be confusing the term 'underrated' with 'players i dont rate'. watson most certainly hasnt been rubbished by too many people on this board, infact theres almost a consensus that 'hes better than flintoff was at the same age' hence he is likely to be the next flintoff.
similarly tait was extremely overrated before he bowled a ball at the international level. and oh how surprising, tait just got injured
It will open you eyes about umpiring status all over the world.