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    Hadlee Vs Viv Richards

    I don't think that Hadlee's performance against Sri Lanka should be completely dismissed simply because SL were minnows because the bottom line is, Hadlee bowled brilliantly against them. He swung the ball in the humid SL atmosphere and he bowled with great control. Against better teams, he...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    To save you the trouble, it's possible to view the book for free at https://archive.org/details/bookofcricketlis0000unse_p2s1/page/n9/mode/2up once you sign up (which costs nothing unless I'm missing something insidious; you can sign in with Google, if you want)
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    CW's 100 Greatest Cricketers Poll

    This forum reeks of the patriarchy. The only women I'm seeing mentioned here are Grace, Lily (misspelt as Lillee) and Lara. Oh, and Viv. A few posters have even selected a cat:
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    What are the 5 greatest bowling attacks ever fielded?

    OK, I'm not sure whether you're talking about bowling or batting here but you mention my comparisons so I'm guessing it's perhaps the runs/innings stuff I posted (I don't mention career bowling averages, just their peaks). If so, given that Hadlee and Imran were from more of a bowling era than...
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    What are the 5 greatest bowling attacks ever fielded?

    Qadir is also useless in Pakistani conditions. He's dead.
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    What are the 5 greatest bowling attacks ever fielded?

    OK, good points. Leaving figures out of it, Bradman said that he had never seen a bowler with better control of seam and swing than Hadlee. If Hadlee passed Bradman's eye test with that sort of superlative compliment (and Bradman was a very analytical man), I doubt that McGrath was really all...
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    What are the 5 greatest bowling attacks ever fielded?

    Where are you getting this figure from? Is it from McGrath's average of 19.34 in England? If Hadlee had been Australian, his career average could have been 16-17. After all, he averaged 17.83 there.
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    What are the 5 greatest bowling attacks ever fielded?

    I agree but the 3 McGraths option is not reasonable IMO. With two Hadlees and an Imran (or vice versa), you would lose little, if anything, in the bowling. In fact, you might even be better off. With three McGraths, you have three metronomes which isn't necessarily a bad thing but there's...
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    All time XIs discussion

    It's been my experience that Wikipedia is actually normally quite accurate about a lot of things. Their content here though is very misleading (not necessarily wrong). I didn't realise just how bad Qadir's away bowling record was.
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    All time XIs discussion

    Nonsense. Everybody knows that Qadir was a great spin bowler. This is what Wikipedia has to say: "Abdul Qadir is widely regarded as a legendary leg spinner from the 1970s and 1980s" and "Yahoo! Cricket described Abdul Qadir as "a master of the leg-spin" who "mastered the googlies, the...
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    Ricky Ponting vs Dennis Lillee

    Here is a comparison of the overall ("O") and away ("A") WPIs for some great pacers (from https://www.clanforgamers.com/greatest-fast-bowlers-of-all-time-in-test-cricket/):
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    Malcolm Marshall vs Jack Hobbs

    I said above that McGrath decided to cut his pace but the man himself says otherwise (and thinks his highest speed gun reading was 92 mph): https://www.cricket.com.au/news/3278835/mcgrath-weighs-in-on-great-pace-debate:
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    Malcolm Marshall vs Jack Hobbs

    Very hard to say. Early McGrath could be quite quick but decided to cut his pace at a younger age than Hadlee. I think Hadlee at his fastest would have topped out at 90 mph but I suspect that McGrath at his fastest would have been close to this. Hadlee off the long run might have been faster...
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    Malcolm Marshall vs Jack Hobbs

    He was slower off the short run but I would not say that he drastically cut back his pace. Have a look at the second wicket Hadlee takes in this clip. It's about 30 s in but it might be better to watch the whole clip (use Full screen). Listen to the commentary as well: Richie Benaud certainly...
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    Malcolm Marshall vs Jack Hobbs

    Hadlee did not move to FM early on in his career. He debuted FC in Jan 1972 (first ball hit to the boundary) and tests, Feb 1973 (again, first ball hit to the boundary!). I think he was exclusively off the long run (off 23 paces, F, not express) in tests until Feb/Mar 1981, against India (bowled...
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    Marshall vs Imran (as bowlers)

    I meant no offence, Michael, you will always be my GOAT! Just like Marshall Hadlee!
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    Marshall vs Imran (as bowlers)

    LeBron is not in Jordan's tier because King James is too big. He would need to be shrunk first:
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    Marshall vs Imran (as bowlers)

    If you can talk about a tier and a sub tier, can you talk about a super tier and what exactly is it? What about a sub sub tier and a sub sub sub tier? If a sub sub tier contains just one bowler then what does a sub sub sub tier contain? Just the bowling arm? from dictionary.com: So we now...
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    Marshall vs Hadlee (overall cricketers)

    Just to correct myself, Wright actually averaged 38.11 as an opener. His overall average was 37.82.
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    Marshall vs Hadlee (overall cricketers)

    Just to repeat what I said, I was only joking! I'll use their nicknames. Hogan was a near-great while Shake averaging 37.82 as an opener and The Mantis averaging 37.57 back then meant that they were very good (even excellent?) test batsmen.

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