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  1. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Actually that is how it works. It depends on what criteria you think Pakistan side of late 80s are selected. You have three options, current form, historic performances, or extrapolating quality using the whole careers (that includes future performances). What ever the metric you argue to select...
  2. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Nope. The time period was specifically selected to show that Imran was useless as an AR, but it spectacularly backfired because it was Botham's nadir too. You cannot compare 89-92 Imran to general career of Botham. That is disingenuous. Either compare full careers or part of the careers in the...
  3. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Comparing apples to oranges. IF you want to compare at X point compare at X point If you want to compare peaks, compare peaks If you want to compare ATG sides, compare ATG sides. "peak Botham walks into any team in the history of the sport." - No. Peak Imran will easily replace him every day...
  4. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Pakistan side between 89-92 will not take a bowler averaging 49 with ball and 15 with bat. There is no rocket science about that. To summarise Botham won't make the Pakistan side between 89-92 on form, where Imran was not able to perform as an all rounder Botham won't make the Pakistan side of...
  5. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    not only that, he won't make the side where Imran was not bowling during 89-92 period according to his form. So for Pakistan side of late 80s and early 90s, on peak form, Botham won't make it. On form during the late 80s, and early 90s, still won't make it. Sorry to burst the bubble.
  6. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    However the discussion was which was 89-92 period. So if you want to restrict Imran to that time period, you have to restrict Botham too. Imran at least was useful with the bat. Botham averaged 14.6 with the bat and 48.6 with the ball. So no, he is not going to replace any Pakistani player...
  7. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Last time I checked, Imran, Wasim and Waqar did not play for South Africa at any point of time.
  8. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Lol, in 1989-92 period Botham was even slower than Imran, and looked filthy and unfit.
  9. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Exactly. I am referring to the same period, this time in Botham's career, where he was not doing much.
  10. Migara

    Ricky Ponting vs Ian Botham

    Actually there are only handful of all rounders who can be selected over top class batsmen or bowlers. All of them are top tier in their primary discipline. Imran and Sobers are difficult to replace. Kallis is the same unless we have above two in the side. Gilchrist or Sangakkara automatically...
  11. Migara

    Ricky Ponting vs Ian Botham

    Ponting. Batting + Fielding nails it. Add captaincy and you have a different beast.
  12. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    If you want to construct the argument with temporality, during the time Imran was not bowling, Botham was neither bowling nor batting with any meaning.
  13. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Morkel, Ntini and Pollock has not played together. The bowler who played with the first two is Steyn. Given the averages are similar, the natural tendency is to select the bowler who are different, not a slower copy of Steyn. It was either Steyn / Ntini / Morkel or Stryn / Morkel / Philander...
  14. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Flower's batting alone is at elite level. What are you talking about? Botham is no way near a 50 averaging batsman, when his whole career is considered.
  15. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Wouldn't make South African XI of 2000s, Pakistan of Late 80s to early 90s for example. No way over Pollock and Kallis, no way over Imran, Wasim or Waqar. No way over Qadir too.
  16. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Flower would have walked in to the English team that Botham played, and would have been the best batsman of the team too.
  17. Migara

    Andy Flower vs Ian Botham

    Botham's bowling is nowhere equivalent to batsman averaging 50
  18. Migara

    Ian Botham vs Sangakarra

    Sangakkara. Botham was never great in either of his disciplines for his full career. Sanga was batting legend, and was a great keeper throughout his career. Sanga is one of the greatest all rounders cricket have ever seen, together with Gilchrist.
  19. Migara

    ODI : Brian Lara vs Sanath Jayasuriya

    Sanath's struggles were because of the way he played, and the way he was asked to play. He has a single handed match turning knock almost in every condition. If we were bit more tactical and pushed Dilshan to opening by early 2000s, instead of late 2000s, we would have seen one of the most...
  20. Migara

    ODI : Brian Lara vs Sanath Jayasuriya

    Jayasuriya. Difficult to get a explosive batsman, spinner who could bowl at death, ATG fielder and a charismatic captain in one.

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