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    "Missed Out in 2024 Polls" Draft

    Learie Constantine @capt_Luffy
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    Bad cricketers who played too long

    A batting average of 33 wasn't bad in county cricket in that era - Don Kenyon, Arthur Milton, Mickey Stewart and Mike Denness all got picked for England as batsmen with that average in the 50s/60s/70s, and there are plenty of county stalwarts who averaged less: David Shepherd (the umpire) played...
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    "Missed Out in 2024 Polls" Draft

    Stanley Jackson @Pothas
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    "Missed Out in 2024 Polls" Draft

    Fred Spofforth @Silver Silva
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    Young players who failed to realise their potential

    Graeme Hick and Neil Fairbrother in Tests, though they at least had decent ODI careers. You could hardly say Daryll Cullinan was a failure in Tests (av 44), but he was touted as the next Pollock/Richards in his teens.
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    "Missed Out in 2024 Polls" Draft

    WG Grace
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    As I recall, writers through the 80s still weren't rating Barrington up with Compton and May. I wonder if their respective home/away records had anything to do with this, since they're all quite radically different: Barrington: Home 50.71, Away 69.18 Compton: Home 60.04, Away 36.88 May: Home...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    The difficulty with Rhodes is that during his spell as an opener (the 4 series in the 1910s), he only took 11 wickets @43; before that, his batting average was 25. Just out of interest, I compared this England pre-1977 team with the England players picked in the "Centenary" draft we had. 10 of...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    They weren't banned in 77 (though Lillee was missing due a stress fracture).
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Basically, yes, but he still took as many wickets in Tests involving Barrington as any other Indian: here's the list.
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Barrington basically played in the 60s: the main bowlers he faced were Mckenzie, Davidson, Hawke & Benaud for Aus; Gibbs, Hall, Griffith & Sobers for WI; Pollock, Goddard & Adcock for SA; Borde, Durani & Gupte for India.
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    He wasn't 'Younger than Don Bradman'.
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    The ones picking Evans I assume had Hirst batting at 6, but that still seems a very long tail for an all-time XI; especially when you have Grace, Hammond and Woolley (and Compton) in the top 5 who could all bowl.
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    2024 Ranking of Wicketkeepers Poll

    Some corrections in the table above (mainly that Ames and Waite each played at least once as a batter).
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    "Missed Out in 2024 Polls" Draft

    In
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    English Domestic Season 2024

    Looking at the leading FC averages: Sutcliffe, Holmes and Hendren all played 35 matches in 1927.
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Going back a bit: 1940s Team: Arthur Morris Bruce Mitchell Bill Edrich Denis Compton Everton Weekes Keith Miller Colin McCool Don Tallon+ Ray Lindwall Jack Cowie Bill Johnston 1950s Team: Len Hutton Hanif Mohammad Peter May Neil Harvey Clyde Walcott John Waite+ Richie Benaud Alan Davidson...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    There's a case for picking Botham in the 70s ahead of Willis; in the matches where they both played, Botham took 112@19 to Willis's 79@22; he also had a great record bowling first change (67@18) so would be more used to coming on after Lillee and Roberts; and obviously he hugely strengthens the...
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    Cricket stuff that doesn't deserve its own thread

    On a related note: with the death of Derek Underwood I think Norman Gifford is now the only living player to have taken 2000+ FC wickets.
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    Cricket stuff that doesn't deserve its own thread

    What about Charlie Llewellyn with 1013?

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