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  1. a massive zebra

    Are modern greats simply better?

    Yeah, Shortpitched couldn't be more wrong here, at least in terms of established cricketing nations. Far more people played cricket in England and Australia in the 1920s than they do now. Not sure if it is 8-10x more, but it may well be on a proportional basis after adjusting for the relative...
  2. a massive zebra

    Sunil Gavaskar vs Len Hutton

    All of this is very debatable. The standard of pace bowling has gone up and down across the generations in individual countries and across the world. For instance, the Indian opening bowlers of the 1930s (Amar Singh, Mohammad Nissar) would have been contenders for an Indian ATG side until very...
  3. a massive zebra

    Otherwise mediocre players who were aesthetic af

    Irrespective of your own personal opinion, Qadir is highly rated amongst the cricket world as a whole. Very few non Asian spinners averaged better than 34 during Edmonds era, so if he was mediocre then there basically were not any top class spinners in his era.
  4. a massive zebra

    Sunil Gavaskar vs Len Hutton

    What do you mean by pre professional era? Professional cricketers have existed since the late 1700s, and both of these players most definitely were professionals. Hutton was the first professional to captain England in the 20th century. Hundreds of men played cricket for a living in England...
  5. a massive zebra

    Otherwise mediocre players who were aesthetic af

    Bit harsh to call Phil Edmonds mediocre. His Test bowling average was less than two runs higher than Abdul Qadir who is widely considered the best spinner of that generation. Furthermore, he was based in a country that is less favourable to spin.
  6. a massive zebra

    Adam Gilchrist vs Wally Hammond

    Hammond comfortably. Significantly better batsman, one of the best slip fielders ever, a useful fifth bowler. Hammonds batting >> Gilchrist's batting Hammond's slip fielding + bowling = Gilchrist's keeping
  7. a massive zebra

    Curtly Ambrose vs Muttiah Muralitharan

    Both all time greats, but Murali was more impactful. Just compare their wickets per match.
  8. a massive zebra

    Arthur Shrewsbury vs Mike Atherton

    Two English openers with similar averages. Shrewsbury was arguably the best batsman of his generation but played on the worst pitches and in the lowest scoring era in the history of Test cricket. Atherton played a lot more Test cricket and faced possibly the highest standard of fast bowling of...
  9. a massive zebra

    What are the five strongest batting lineups who ever played?

    The inclusion of Wyatt and Carr make that team a worse batting side than the 1928/29 side I identified, IMO.
  10. a massive zebra

    Curtly Ambrose vs Brian Lara

    This is technically correct but Hobbs home average of 52 is outstanding for someone who played half his cricket pre WWI. Hammond's home average of 50 is also very respectable. Barrington's stats are extremely strange. It's as if he improved in line with the quality of bowling, from mediocre in...
  11. a massive zebra

    Curtly Ambrose vs Brian Lara

    But harsh to call Headley, Weekes, Sobers and Lara HTBs when they average pretty much 50 away from home. Heck, their away averages are all better than both Lloyd and Kanhai who you highlighted as non HTBs. You really think batsmen should be labelled as HTBs for being successful at home when...
  12. a massive zebra

    Herbert Sutcliffe vs Virender Sehwag

    Interesting to see Sutcliffe winning this easily. Sure, he has a better record but the standard of fast bowling in Test cricket during his era wasn't as high as in most other eras. I suppose you could say Sehwag also played in a relatively high scoring era after several ATG bowlers retired, but...
  13. a massive zebra

    Herbert Sutcliffe vs Virender Sehwag

    The only thing these guys have in common is they were both top class opening batsmen. Otherwise their styles couldn't be more different. But who was better?
  14. a massive zebra

    Graeme Hick international career

    This is the correct answer.
  15. a massive zebra

    Graeme Hick international career

    A lot of nonsense spouted in this thread, with people incorrectly assuming the current dynamics of county cricket applied 30 years ago. Today, county cricket is indeed dominated by 70mph swing bowlers. 30 years ago, this simply wasn't true. Many of the world's leading fast bowlers such as Wasim...
  16. a massive zebra

    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    His Test record is ok because he battered some then minnow countries like West Indies. His average against Australia was over 50. The same thing happened in County cricket to a lesser extent. His average against the better counties like Surrey and Yorkshire was in the mid 20s but he absolutely...
  17. a massive zebra

    Sweetest Cover-Drives

  18. a massive zebra

    What are the five strongest batting lineups who ever played?

    Procter played 7 Tests so not a representative sample size. He was obviously a quality batsman as he made 48 first class centuries including six in a row which is something only three people have ever done. A 30 averaging batsman isn't a passenger - perhaps it is by ATG standards, but then other...
  19. a massive zebra

    What are the five strongest batting lineups who ever played?

    The presence of Lindsay at 8 and Procter at 9 requalifies them imo.
  20. a massive zebra

    What are the five strongest batting lineups who ever played?

    England 1928-29 https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1928-29-61714/australia-vs-england-1st-test-62562/full-scorecard This side has three ATG batsmen (Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hammond), three others with Test averages over 47 (Mead, Jardine, Hendren), another frontline...

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