Lara/Ambrose vs Ponting/McGrath

[govinda indian fan]

Corrections success in India.

But Ambrose never played in india. Who knows might have averaged below 20

 

[Sliferxxxx]

But Ambrose never played in india. Who knows might have averaged below 20

Who knows indeed but odds favor him averaging around 30, if I can be completely honest. At full fitness, maybe a few runs under 30.

 

[Johan]

Indian Batsmen of the 90s were kind of hopeless against pace outside Tendulkar, almost like 90s english and kiwi batters against spin, Ambrose wouldn't struggle.

 

[Bolo.]

His potential average there is pretty much pure speculation. Him averaging 15 or 35 both sound plausible to me.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Indian Batsmen of the 90s were kind of hopeless against pace outside Tendulkar, almost like 90s english and kiwi batters against spin, Ambrose wouldn't struggle.

With the caveat that he's close to full fitness. Truth be told, his surgery did greatly diminish him.

 

[The Sean]

With the caveat that he's close to full fitness. Truth be told, his surgery did greatly diminish him.

It's a testament to how well he adapted his bowling I suppose, because while I believe you in terms of being diminished after surgery (hard to tell for me as an Aussie because he always seemed great against us), it isn't really borne out significantly in the pre- and post-surgery numbers. A slight reduction in workload and penetration, a slight improvement in average, but overall not a big step in either direction.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

It's a testament to how well he adapted his bowling I suppose, because while I believe you in terms of being diminished after surgery (hard to tell for me as an Aussie because he always seemed great against us), it isn't really borne out significantly in the pre- and post-surgery numbers. A slight reduction in workload and penetration, a slight improvement in average, but overall not a big step in either direction.

Fair assessment.

 

[kyear2]

It's a testament to how well he adapted his bowling I suppose, because while I believe you in terms of being diminished after surgery (hard to tell for me as an Aussie because he always seemed great against us), it isn't really borne out significantly in the pre- and post-surgery numbers. A slight reduction in workload and penetration, a slight improvement in average, but overall not a big step in either direction.

Yeah, it's a testament to his ability that he was able to maintain his numbers and value to the team. He never hurt them.

 

[subshakerz]

I'm so tired of this penetrative argument as if it was just him.

Ambrose in

Pak. - 60
S.A. - 57
Eng. - 55
Aus - 48

Imran Khan in (preferred period in brackets)

Aus. - 67 (63)
Eng. - 62 (59)
Ind. - 61 (61)
N.Z. - 75 (66)

McGrath in

Eng. - 40
Ind. - 57
Pak. - 63
S.A. - 63

Who out of the 3 was the least penetrative?

The even worse in SA was better than Imran managed in any of the countries referenced there.

Don't want to bother to debate this but you are unnecessarily bringing in Imran in a Ambrose vs McGrath chat.

 

[akilana]

I'm so tired of this penetrative argument as if it was just him.

Ambrose in

Pak. - 60
S.A. - 57
Eng. - 55
Aus - 48

Imran Khan in (preferred period in brackets)

Aus. - 67 (63)
Eng. - 62 (59)
Ind. - 61 (61)
N.Z. - 75 (66)

McGrath in

Eng. - 40
Ind. - 57
Pak. - 63
S.A. - 63

Who out of the 3 was the least penetrative?

The even worse in SA was better than Imran managed in any of the countries referenced there.

thanks for fraud checking imran. even i was kind of convinced that he should be ranked in top 3 after reading thousands of subs posts on imran.

 

[akilana]

I want to say Ambrose was afflicted with 'issues' even during the England series of 1998 but played through it. Then there was 6 months off, then South Africa. So it must hsve aggravated during the RSA tour to the point where he didnt bowl his usual quota during the 3rd test, missed bowling for all of the 2nd innings of the 4th and completely missed the 5th test. Fwiw, Walsh was suffering from injury as well which i know for a fact he picked up in RSA. But Walsh has always been more durable than Curtly.

Kallis was too good in that series.. i blame him for Ambrose's injury.

 

[akilana]

McGrath 8 mts averaged 23.6 and sr 63 in RSA 3.6 wpm

Ambrose averaged 4 mts 23.8 and sr 57.6 wpm 3.25

Bear in mind, Ambrose was already breaking down part way through the 3rd test, tried for the 4th but soon broke completely down, not bowling a single ball in South Africa's 2nd innings.

no one was better than the other but subs claimed he checked the record and mcgrath was somehow better. I was being patient with him, even gave him a week and it didn't help.

 

[subshakerz]

even i was kind of convinced that he should be ranked in top 3 after reading thousands of subs posts on imran.

Wow. Are you amenable to changing your mind?

 

[subshakerz]

no one was better than the other but subs claimed he checked the record and mcgrath was somehow better. I was being patient with him, even gave him a week and it didn't help.

I rank McGrath higher than Imran what are you talking about?

 

[akilana]

I rank McGrath higher than Imran what are you talking about?

talking about ambrose and mcgrath was SA

 

[subshakerz]

talking about ambrose and mcgrath was SA

How exactly is Ambrose better there when he has one middling series where he partly injured whereas McGrath has two quality series in his prime and one middling early career one?

You realise Ambrose being partly injured doesn't actually mean he has a good series there?