ODI All Rounder Poll - Discussions

[Qlder]

Gillespie was double wasn't a top tier knock under high pressure against the team who have defeated Australia prior and boosted a pretty reasonable line-up of Rawson, Traicos, Curran and Fletcher.

I wasn't saying the knocks were the same level, just that they were both outliers in their respective careers (I'm actual a big Kapil fan, like I am with all of the big 4 allrounders of the '80s)

 

[capt_Luffy]

I wasn't saying the knocks were the same level, just that they were both outliers in their respective careers (I'm actual a big Kapil fan, like I am with all of the big 4 allrounders of the '80s)

I just think Kapil's batting is getting a bit underrated from a modern average lens. In his time, Srikkanth was one of India's top ODI bats, he averaged 28.

 

[Sunil1z]

Top fielders according to Ponting

 

[Line and Length]

Surprised to see Afridi getting so many votes. His batting average (23.58) is nothing special while his bowling stat (34.51) is equally as unimpressive. His batting/bowling differential (-10.93) is unacceptable imo. Others have far better qualifications.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Surprised to see Afridi getting so many votes. His batting average (23.58) is nothing special while his bowling stat (34.51) is equally as unimpressive. Others have far better qualifications.

Played nearly 400 games, that should be worth something imo. SR of 117 and Eco of 4.6 are there and did pretty well in 2011 WC. Nothing Great, but Great ODI All-rounders are behind us.

 

[Qlder]

I see Carl Hooper gets a vote. I totally missed him but he has a fantastic allrounder record

 

[reyrey]

Harris averaged 29.
He was a quality middle overs bowler, while Collingwood was more part-time. Look at economy rates and find Harris re fielding on YouTube. He was Jonty/Ponting/Symonds/Gibbs level, while Collingwood was a tier below.

There isn't a huge difference in their bowling (Harris is better, but not by a lot).

Harris was a 5th bowler and Collingwood a 6th bowler mostly because Flintoff was in the side. When Flintoff didn't play, Collingwood bowled a lot more and was more a 5th bowler.


Also they played in slightly different eras so I wouldn't directly compare their economy rates. They are probably a lot closer when it comes to economy when adjusting for eras

 

[Qlder]

3 new players getting multiple votes this round. Will likely be far more dominant next round so I found it interesting how similar their records are

Hooper - 227 games
5761 runs @ 35.34, 7 100's, 29 50's, SR 75.63
193 wkts @ 36.05, econ 4.36, SR 49.6, 0.85 wpm

Cronje - 188 games
5565 runs @ 38.64, 2 100's, 39 50's, SR 76.47
114 wkts @ 34.78, econ 4.44, SR 46.9, 0.61 wpm

Collingwood - 197 games
5092 runs @ 35.36, 5 100's, 26 50's, SR 76.98
111 wkts @ 38.68, econ 4.96, SR 46.7, 0.56 wpm

 

[capt_Luffy]

Three new players getting multiple votes this round. Will likely be far more dominant next round so I found it interesting how similar their records are

Hooper - 227 games
5761 runs @ 35.34, 7 100's, 29 50's, SR 75.63
193 wkts @ 36.05, SR 49.6, 0.85 wpm

Cronje - 188 games
5565 runs @ 38.64, 2 100's, 39 50's, SR 76.47
114 wkts @ 34.78, SR 46.9, 0.61 wpm

Collingwood - 197 games
5092 runs @ 35.36, 5 100's, 26 50's, SR 76.98
111 wkts @ 38.68, SR 46.7, 0.56 wpm

I think another name similar to them is of Ben Stokes

 

[Cricket Bliss]

I think another name similar to them is of Ben Stokes

his bowling record is poor…lack of longevity too

Heath Streak would be a better choice

 

[capt_Luffy]

his bowling record is poor…lack of longevity too

Heath Streak would be a better choice

Stokes bowling record is on the poorer side, but given Era, not significantly so than Hooper or Collingwood. Haven't played too long, but a Great player nonetheless

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I think another name similar to them is of Ben Stokes

Very bad ODI bowler though

 

[Fuller Pilch]

his bowling record is poor…lack of longevity too

Heath Streak would be a better choice

Neil Johnson is Zimbabwe's best ever ODI allrounder. Streak vs Raza would be close.

Re minor/weaker countries, it will be interesting to see where RTD is ranked

 

[capt_Luffy]

Very bad ODI bowler though

Is he very bad though?? Seems like I don't rate his bowling low off. Still don't think he is much worse than Collingwood for ex.

 

[Qlder]

Is he very bad though?? Seems like I don't rate his bowling low off. Still don't think he is much worse than Collingwood for ex.

Collingwood is the worst bowler of the 3 I posted though (Hooper the best, Cronje in the middle)

 

[capt_Luffy]

Collingwood is the worst bowler of the 3 I posted though (Hooper the best, Cronje in the middle)

Yeah, that's why I actually changed my vote to Hooper. Also think Stokes is probs the best batter amongst them.

 

[Qlder]

Yeah, that's why I actually changed my vote to Hooper.

I just changed mine to Hooper as well (won't make any difference but I feel better)

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Neil Johnson is Zimbabwe's best ever ODI allrounder. Streak vs Raza would be close.

Re minor/weaker countries, it will be interesting to see where RTD is ranked

Really?
Johnson just played for 2 years… and Raza bowling is worser than Stokes.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Really?
Johnson just played for 2 years… and Raza bowling is worser than Stokes.

Johnson was amazing in the 99 World Cup - not far behind Klusener.

Raza has mostly played far weaker teams than Stokes which makes it harder to assess but his bowling is clearly better.

Stokes has an economy rate over 6, while Raza's is 4.84.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Johnson was amazing in the 99 World Cup - not far behind Klusener.

Raza has mostly played far weaker teams than Stokes which makes it harder to assess but his bowling is clearly better.

Stokes has an economy rate over 6, while Raza's is 4.84.

On weaker teams, RTD has some crazy stats