Kapil Dev vs Courtney Walsh

[OverratedSanity]

Top 2 in his era were WI and Pak.

Depends which years tbh. In the late 70s and early 80s, Australia were definitely stronger. Mid/Late 80s, Pak and NZ took over.

For example, India got a very impressive 1-1 drawn series in Australia in 1981, on the back of a great match winning spell from Kapil at Melbourne, Australia were still pretty damn strong. They only declined truly with the retirements of Chappell and Lillee.

 

[Coronis]

So it was only a matter of time before that came up.

I don't rate Don Bradman to be twice as good as anyone else. That doesn't apply only to Sobers, but Hobbs, Sachin, Viv etc

Even in the 60's Bradman wasn't seen to be twice as good as Hobbs and many saw them as peers.

Sobers is a top 4 or 5 batsman, top 5 slip catcher, and a bowler who from the time he started primarily bowling pace, until the decline at the end, was averaging 27 with the ball on top of his other two skills.

He was the best batsman of the 60's while being a top 5 bowler and almost taking two catches a match (during his peak)

While during his career facing the likes of Lindwall, Miller, Trueman, Davidson, Benaud, Snow, Underwood, the quartet, Lillee etc etc.

I can find and show you articles of Sobers being called the greatest cricketer, greatest all round cricketer, none of which originated in the Caribbean.

Sobers is unanimously rated as one of the two greatest test crickets of all time and in the ultimate pantheon with said Bradman.

Kapil was 4th among the 4 all rounders of his own era.

What I've said is Bradman is likely better, but there's an argument to be made. And Bradman is no. 1 on my rankings.

Stop.

Arguing Sobers over Bradman but then calling arguing Kapil over Walsh ridiculous… is in itself ridiculous

Primary skill gap which you focus on is much bigger in Bradman and Sobers.

 

[kyear2]

You should be the one to stop after saying Sobers has a case over Don but Kapil none over Walsh.

Sobers is a top 5 ATG batsman, at most 5 places behind Bradman.

He was an ATG top tier elite slip fielder

He was also a better bowler than Kapil was a batsman.

Kapil wasn't close to Walsh as a bowler and Kapil's batting wasn't as good as Sobers's bowling and not close to his catching.

The only reason there was a discussion with Sobers is that there are 3 skills to one.


There's no correlation between the two arguments.

 

[Coronis]

Sobers is a top 5 ATG batsman, at most 5 places behind Bradman.

He was an ATG top tier elite slip fielder

He was also a better bowler than Kapil was a batsman.

Kapil wasn't close to Walsh as a bowler and Kapil's batting wasn't as good as Sobers's bowling and not close to his catching.

The only reason there was a discussion with Sobers is that there are 3 skills to one.


There's no correlation between the two arguments.

Conveniently ignoring Bradman’s fielding.

 

[kyear2]

Arguing Sobers over Bradman but then calling arguing Kapil over Walsh ridiculous… is in itself ridiculous

Primary skill gap which you focus on is much bigger in Bradman and Sobers.

And based on that we will forever agree to disagree.

And again, I wasn't arguing, I said there's an argument.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Sobers is a top 5 ATG batsman, at most 5 places behind Bradman.

He was an ATG top tier elite slip fielder

He was also a better bowler than Kapil was a batsman.

Kapil wasn't close to Walsh as a bowler and Kapil's batting wasn't as good as Sobers's bowling and not close to his catching.

The only reason there was a discussion with Sobers is that there are 3 skills to one.


There's no correlation between the two arguments.

Kapil's closer to Walsh as a bowler than Sobers is to Bradman as a batsman tbh

 

[Coronis]

And based on that we will forever agree to disagree.

And again, I wasn't arguing, I said there's an argument.

lol what? You really think Sobers the bat is closer to Bradman than Kapil the bowler is to Walsh?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Kapil's closer to Walsh as a bowler than Sobers is to Bradman as a batsman tbh

Also more ahead as a fielder to Walsh than Sobers was to Don

 

[Johan]

Kapil's closer to Walsh as a bowler than Sobers is to Bradman as a batsman tbh

how is this questionable??

Kapil averages 29, Walsh 24
Sobers averages 58, Bradman 99

 

[kyear2]

Conveniently ignoring Bradman’s fielding.

So now we're doing this nonsense, fine.

We're comparing ground fielding to slip catching and close catching overall?

That's like comparing batting at no. 3 to no. 9. There's no comparison in skill or value.

I know it's in vogue to come after me, but that's weak.

You can do better.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Like, I knew you valued slip fielding over ground (which is fair) but bloody damn.......

 

[Bolo.]

Depends which years tbh. In the late 70s and early 80s, Australia were definitely stronger. Mid/Late 80s, Pak and NZ took over.

Over the course of his career, Pak were clear number 2.

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At times, sure, Aus was number 2. Not the late 70s though. That was WSC era.

 

[Coronis]

So now we're doing this nonsense, fine.

We're comparing ground fielding to slip catching and close catching overall?

That's like comparing batting at no. 3 to no. 9. There's no comparison in skill or value.

I know it's in vogue to come after me, but that's weak.

You can do better.

Mate, you said Sobers had 3 skills and Bradman had one. When he clearly did not. In fact he was noted for his fielding, similarly to Hobbs.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Mate, you said Sobers had 3 skills and Bradman had one. When he clearly did not. In fact he was noted for his fielding, similarly to Hobbs.

And like, how tf is it even different to Walsh vs Kapil with 3 skills?? Like does @kyear2 really thinks if it's not in the slips, it doesn't matter??

 

[sayon basak]

Why does Sobers' 3 skills matter? Isn't he exactly as valuable as his primary discipline?

 

[h_hurricane]

So now we're doing this nonsense, fine.

We're comparing ground fielding to slip catching and close catching overall?

That's like comparing batting at no. 3 to no. 9. There's no comparison in skill or value.

I know it's in vogue to come after me, but that's weak.

You can do better.

Kapil at times stood in slips where he was pretty decent. Walsh was an outfielder and he was beyond dire there.

 

[kyear2]

lol what? You really think Sobers the bat is closer to Bradman than Kapil the bowler is to Walsh?

With out doubt.

And let's take it away from partisan.

I think Hobbs and Tendulkar are closer to Bradman as a batsman than Walsh is to Kapil as a bowler.

Let's take it further.

I think that Hammond's catching is just as valuable and worth as much to his team as Kapil's batting.

I think Kallis's bowling is worth just as much if not more than Kapil's batting.

So to get back to Sobers, his batting, catching and bowling is ridiculous production and value.

And I still rate Bradman ahead, as compared to @capt_Luffy and @OverratedSanity and others ranking Kapil ahead of Walsh.

 

[Coronis]

With out doubt.

And let's take it away from partisan.

I think Hobbs and Tendulkar are closer to Bradman as a batsman than Walsh is to Kapil as a bowler.

Let's take it further.

I think that Hammond's catching is just as valuable and worth as much to his team as Kapil's batting.

I think Kallis's bowling is worth just as much if not more than Kapil's batting.

So to get back to Sobers, his batting, catching and bowling is ridiculous production and value.

And I still rate Bradman ahead, as compared to @capt_Luffy and @OverratedSanity and others ranking Kapil ahead of Walsh.

Its really hard to take your other opinions seriously when you make posts like this.

 

[capt_Luffy]

With out doubt.

And let's take it away from partisan.

I think Hobbs and Tendulkar are closer to Bradman as a batsman than Walsh is to Kapil as a bowler.

Let's take it further.

I think that Hammond's catching is just as valuable and worth as much to his team as Kapil's batting.

I think Kallis's bowling is worth just as much if not more than Kapil's batting.

So to get back to Sobers, his batting, catching and bowling is ridiculous production and value.

And I still rate Bradman ahead, as compared to @capt_Luffy and @OverratedSanity and others ranking Kapil ahead of Walsh.

Mate I surrender

 

[Johan]

With out doubt.

And let's take it away from partisan.

I think Hobbs and Tendulkar are closer to Bradman as a batsman than Walsh is to Kapil as a bowler.

Let's take it further.

I think that Hammond's catching is just as valuable and worth as much to his team as Kapil's batting.

I think Kallis's bowling is worth just as much if not more than Kapil's batting.

So to get back to Sobers, his batting, catching and bowling is ridiculous production and value.

And I still rate Bradman ahead, as compared to @capt_Luffy and @OverratedSanity and others ranking Kapil ahead of Walsh.

wtf

Bradman is a light year ahead of anyone ever in primary