Kapil Dev vs Courtney Walsh

[Coronis]

Yes he was. Won 3 MOTM and was our main component in a whole ass series win in 86. One terrible series doesn't rights off the other things he did.

imo Walsh was decent in Australia then.

 

[capt_Luffy]

imo Walsh was decent in Australia then.

Did Walsh won WI a series in Australia??

 

[Coronis]

Did Walsh won WI a series in Australia??

Was the Australia Walsh faced as weak as the England Kapil faced?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Was the Australia Walsh faced as weak as the England Kapil faced?

They weren't as strong as the WI Dev faced

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Don't take much that @Migara or @Pap Finn Keighl say seriously.

Dont be modest.

 

[Coronis]

They weren't as strong as the WI Dev faced

Ah good completely switch it

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ah good completely switch it

You were the one to brought in Australia's strength in the 1st place Lol. And not like I (or as a matter of fact, literally anyone) ever said Kapil was as good a bowler as Walsh lol.

 

[Coronis]

You were the one to brought in Australia's strength in the 1st place Lol. And not like I (or as a matter of fact, literally anyone) ever said Kapil was as good a bowler as Walsh lol.

No, you randomly brought up WI when we’re talking about Kapil’s record in England.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

No, he wasn’t.

Kapil won MOS in a 3 match series in England.
FYI, Botham took 9 wickets and 400+ runs in that series.

 

[Coronis]

Kapil won MOS in a 3 match series in England.
FYI, Botham took 9 wickets and 400+ runs in that series.

I’ve no idea why. England won, Botham was better batting and bowling. People are idiots.

 

[capt_Luffy]

No, you randomly brought up WI when we’re talking about Kapil’s record in England.

You randomly brought in Australia and Walsh first lol

 

[Coronis]

You randomly brought in Australia and Walsh first lol

Not random, I was comparing 2 **** records. If Kapil is decent in England, I’ll also shout Pollock and Anderson as decent in Australia too.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Not random, I was comparing 2 **** records. If Kapil is decent in England, I’ll also shout Pollock and Anderson as decent in Australia too.

Did any of them won a MOS or 3 MOTM in those places??

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I’ve no idea why. England won, Botham was better batting and bowling. People are idiots.

Because Kapil did it against stronger opponents and he had lesser support.

Yes..Some people are idiots.

 

[Coronis]

Did any of them won a MOS or 3 MOTM in those places??

I cbf to check. imo it doesn’t matter. Like I said, people are idiots. You may as well ask who was rated better by the Australian media

 

[Coronis]

Because Kapil did it against stronger opponents and he had lesser support.

Yes..Some people are idiots.

Really? Now you claim England’s batting was stronger than India’s?

 

[capt_Luffy]

I cbf to check. imo it doesn’t matter. Like I said, people are idiots. You may as well ask who was rated better by the Australian media

I think you are forgetting that many a times the impact of runs and wickets matters a lot to

 

[OverratedSanity]

How are you better than your numbers if you were pretty consistent throughout your career. There's no Botham or Punter decline that takes away from from they did during their prime.

A player can be considered better than his numbers if you can make a case he did well in tough conditions and elevated his game against the best opposition right? I feel like "better than his numbers" is a very standard way to describe a player who manages to do the above, not sure what peak has to do with it tbh.

 

[kyear2]

Having a massive peak than dropping off isn't being better than numbers. Playing in flat tracks with **** support is.

He is decentish in England and pretty good in Pakistan. You are objectively wrong.

To answer your first point. It may not be better, but it was sure as hell more impactful, which is the point of the sport.

During those impactful years he was immensely more valuable to his team and to the sport. He was a match winner.

And as I just said in another thread.

1. If he had averaged 26 away and 32 home I would give credence to being hampered by home pitches, it was the other way round.

2. All this talk of flat pitches really isn't helping your Sunny arguments. He's definitely not beating this fair weather merchant tag.

The highlighted bit is just nonsense and not even responding to that.

You lack any level of objectivity when it comes to certain players, 3 to be exact.

 

[capt_Luffy]

To answer your first point. It may not be better, but it was sure as hell more impactful, which is the point of the sport.

During those impactful years he was immensely more valuable to his team and to the sport. He was a match winner.

And as I just said in another thread.

1. If he had averaged 26 away and 32 home I would give credence to being hampered by home pitches, it was the other way round.

2. All this talk of flat pitches really isn't helping your Sunny arguments. He's definitely not beating this fair weather merchant tag.

The highlighted bit is just nonsense and not even responding to that.

You lack any level of objectivity when it comes to certain players, 3 to be exact.

1. Indian pitches were predominantly flat. Kapil's away performance hardly over writes that.
2. There were quite a few turners too here really. Not helping pacers much, but definitely spinners.