Aus xi vs WI xi vs SA xi (since 1970)

[PlayerComparisons]

We can ignore the year and consider their whole careers to keep it simple I guess

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah that's my thinking - it's a bit of a cheat including him, and a lot of a cheat to judge him by his whole career! It should probably be Chanderpaul (or possibly Richardson/Kallicharran) for that final spot.

Sobers swings it totally WIs way. Without him, it's Aus

 

[Johan]

where's the match

 

[subshakerz]

where's the match

If it's a series in WI or Aus, WI win either way.

 

[Johan]

If it's a series in WI or Aus, WI win either way.

Aus might get the wins at Port of Spain or Sydney

 

[shortpitched713]

Australia only because of specialist spinner over West Indies. Otherwise, West Indies are equally good, just probably a bit less reliable across conditions. With Sobers, Lara, Viv, they have the absolute best batsmen, but less batting depth due to Gilly (Garner's batting notwithstanding).

 

[DrWolverine]

WestIndies bowling is super strong
Marshall. Ambrose. Holding. Garner.

 

[DrWolverine]

Australia only because of specialist spinner over West Indies.

Viv destroys Warne and then proceeds to tell his bald teammate that he is the best player of spin bowling.

 

[subshakerz]

Viv destroys Warne and then proceeds to tell his bald teammate that he is the best player of spin bowling.

Little chance Warne averages sub 30 against WI in a series.

 

[DrWolverine]

Warne will personally love to go after Sobers for calling inferior to Subhash Gupte

 

[The Sean]

Little chance Warne averages sub 30 against WI in a series.

Why not? Abdul Qadir did. Twice.

 

[Johan]

Why not? Abdul Qadir did. Twice.

wickets were minefields in the 86 Windies series (sub 19 RPW), I doubt either Windies or Australia would produce such wickets

 

[Coronis]

wickets were minefields in the 86 Windies series (sub 19 RPW), I doubt either Windies or Australia would produce such wickets

Why not? Windies did in 1986.

Sobers, Viv, Greenidge and Lara are better than the rest of the bats. There isn't a big edge either way.


Strawman. In this particular context against high quality spin players and not on mostly spin friendly pitches, yeah Warne will be relatively less effective and more condition dependent than say, Garner. Of course he will still make his impact but he isn't this trumpcard you are portraying him as.

Greenidge isn’t discernibly better than Hayden. Lara and Smith, the same. Richards and Chappell, again similar. Gap between Lloyd and Border/Ponting is easily bigger than the gap between Sobers and Border/Ponting. Plus then you have the Langer and Haynes. Not to mention the absolutely massive gap between Gilchrist and Dujon - which far overshadows any other perceived gap in batting depending on our own personal ratings.

There are also high quality players of pace. In fact, moreso than spin. And Garner is quite a similar bowler to Ambrose. Whereas you have Warne who can bowl all day, and bowls a completely different style to his team, keeping the opponents on their feet. You have Marshall and McGrath ar the aame level, Warne and Ambrose at the same level, Lillee and Garner/Holding at the same level and Cummins a bit behind that. The inclusion of Warne and his spin easily makes up for that gap.

 

[Johan]

Why not? Windies did in 1986.

which series?

 

[Coronis]

which series?

lol sorry I assumed you were talking about a Windies home series vs Pakistan.

 

[Johan]

lol sorry I assumed you were talking about a Windies home series vs Pakistan.

Oh Yeah, that was a very pacer friendly series AFAIK

 

[Tejretics]

Which team is the strongest?

Greenidge
Haynes
Viv
Lara
Lloyd
Sobers
Dujon
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose

Hayden
Langer
Ponting
Smith
Chappell
Border
Gilchrist
Warne
Cummins
Lillee
McGrath

Barry
Smith
Amla
Pollock
Kallis
De Villiers
De Kock
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
Van der Bijl

If Barry Richards and Graeme Pollock make the South African side, in my mind, so should Mike Procter.

I don’t mind giving de Villiers the gloves to accommodate Procter. Not a natural gloveman (although a wonderful athlete), but it’s not like de Kock is a particularly special gloveman either, and de Villiers batted fine with the gloves.

 

[Srinath P]

West Indies. Best bowling as well as the best top 5 batting.

 

[capt_Luffy]

If Barry Richards and Graeme Pollock make the South African side, in my mind, so should Mike Procter.

I don’t mind giving de Villiers the gloves to accommodate Procter. Not a natural gloveman (although a wonderful athlete), but it’s not like de Kock is a particularly special gloveman either, and de Villiers batted fine with the gloves.

If nothing else, Procter comes in for VVD. I rate VVD, but he doesn't even have a Test cap

 

[DrWolverine]

WI has like 7 cricketers I would consider ATGs -Maco. Ambrose. Holding. Garner. Richards. Lara. Sobers.