Kapil Dev vs Courtney Walsh

[Sliferxxxx]

Bradman, Sobers, Hobbs, Grace, Marshall, Tendulkar and Hadlee. These 7 are confirm picks for my World XI.

All undisputed ATGs.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I won't consider Kallis for a World XI. Or Steyn. Or Gavaskar/Hutton.

Yeah because the team can only fit XI but none of the above looks out of place in a world XI.

 

[Johan]

easy picks for my All Time XI

Hutton, Hobbs, Viv, Bradman, Marshall, Hadlee, Gilchrist.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

easy picks for my All Time XI

Hutton, Hobbs, Viv, Bradman, Marshall, Hadlee, Gilchrist.

No Sachin??

 

[capt_Luffy]

That's all good and well so long as you realize the reverse is also true. What reverse you ask? The wickets in the Caribbean. They weren't all conducive to pace. 2 were, 2 were flat roads and the last QPO was a mixed bag.

Carribbean was a mixed bag. But I will say on the whole during Kapil's career, they were significantly more conducive to pace overall than the Indian ones.

 

[Johan]

No Sachin??

 

[capt_Luffy]

All undisputed ATGs.

I mean yeah they are. I just can't see any disputes for Kallis or Gavaskar or Steyn, etc.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Carribbean was a mixed bag. But I will say on the whole during Kapil's career, they were significantly more conducive to pace overall than the Indian ones.

Ok.

 

[DrWolverine]

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Bradman, Sobers, Hobbs, Grace, Marshall, Tendulkar and Hadlee. These 7 are confirm picks for my World XI.

Gilchrist?

 

[DrWolverine]

easy picks for my All Time XI

Hutton, Hobbs, Viv, Bradman, Marshall, Hadlee, Gilchrist.

Viv but no Sachin?

 

[Johan]

How the **** did y'all think of Sachin before Sobers is my question

 

[capt_Luffy]

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Gilchrist?

In competition with Sangakkara for me

 

[OverratedSanity]

No one is a lock for an atg xi spot except Bradman, Gilchrist and Sobers for me.

 

[capt_Luffy]

How the **** did y'all think of Sachin before Sobers is my question

I honestly just noticed Garry is missing

 

[DrWolverine]

How the **** did y'all think of Sachin before Sobers is my question

True.
I automatically assumed Sobers was there

 

[DrWolverine]

No one is a lock for an atg xi spot except Bradman, Gilchrist and Sobers for me.

Sanga’s record is very average as WK batsman

 

[DrWolverine]

No one is a lock for an atg xi spot except Bradman, Gilchrist and Sobers for me.

Marshall too.

 

[Coronis]

Imo, to be atg you have to guarantee a spot in your teams at xi and not look out of place in a world ATG XI . Atg should be rarefied air imo. Atg all rounders in particular, should be great in at least one of their disciplines or close to it. Atg AR: Sobers, Imran, Hadlee, Kallis (on the fence regarding Miller and Pollock).

So hypothetically in 50 years you could consider Tendulkar and Lara and Marshall and McGrath as not ATGs anymore? (hypothetical situation of course but I’m really curious as to whether there’s an actual stopping point for this line of thinking)

Dev played 3 games in SA at his career end and Eng wasn't certainly a favourable condition in. And Walsh was excellent in India, but 90s India was strangely not that flat to pacers. Through our that decade, no Indian pacer with more than 2 wickets averages 32+. That includes a fair few scrubs as well.

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[Coronis]

No one is a lock for an atg xi spot except Bradman, Gilchrist and Sobers for me.

Agreed

 

[OverratedSanity]

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Makes Kapil's home record look even better tbf