Disagree. WI had basically only two good batsmen in their entire lineup in that series. Lara/Sarwan/Chanderpaul/Gayle all missed games in that series and their lineup was never fully whole and you had crap batsmen like Ganga/Samuels/Devon Smith as the spine of the batting lineup. Think the only one the good batsmen all played was the last one where Gillespie sucked and WI chased 400+.
Then riddle me this. Walsh played in the same Asian conditions Kapil did and excelled yes or no? Yes. Walsh also played in the England, NZ, South africa etc and sucked in Australia but excelled everywhere else yes or no? Yes. Bear in mind Walsh toured and excelled in India in '94 sans any other class bowler, toured and excelled in Pakistan '97 with an Ambrose you yourself said was rubbish. Dev played enough tests in favorable conditions and generally was hardly passable (Nz, Eng, RSA). There's no resistance, your pov makes absolutely no sense.
The wickets are what I'm more highlighting brother.
They were roads definitely. Never argued Gillespie wasn't effective on flat decks tbf, I think that's something he was extremely good at actually. His natural length worked to his benefit on flatter pitches.
Dev played 3 games in SA at his career end and Eng wasn't certainly a favourable condition in. And Walsh was excellent in India, but 90s India was strangely not that flat to pacers. Through our that decade, no Indian pacer with more than 2 wickets averages 32+. That includes a fair few scrubs as well.
Imo, to be atg you have to guarantee a spot in your teams at xi and not look out of place in a world ATG XI . Atg should be rarefied air imo. Atg all rounders in particular, should be great in at least one of their disciplines or close to it. Atg AR: Sobers, Imran, Hadlee, Kallis (on the fence regarding Miller and Pollock).
I think you are wayyyy too restrictive. Both Kapil and Walsh are easily ATGs for me. Faulkner, Shakib, Jadeja, Noble and Wooley are ATGs as well. Especially Miller and Pollock not being sure shots just feels wrong.
Nice try bub, how on earth was 90s Indian wickets all of a sudden not flat for pacers? Fwiw, Walsh took 4-95 in the 2nd test where India piled on 500 odd. You can make your points witout trying to diminish Walsh's accomplishments. And what about Pakistan, Walsh excelled in a series there where Pakistan piled on the runs in each test.
Would you consider Dev for a World XI? If the answer is no, he's not atg. He's great, that's it.
I won't consider Kallis for a World XI. Or Steyn. Or Gavaskar/Hutton.
wtf
Hobbs and Grace are sure shots.
Oh, Grace.
That's all good and well so long as you realize the reverse is also true. What reverse you ask? The wickets in the Caribbean. They weren't all conducive to pace. 2 were, 2 were flat roads and the last QPO was a mixed bag.Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
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Walsh's SC record is Great, I have said many a times. My point was against the flat Indian pitches, which they necessarily weren't in the 90s.
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