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ODI Bowlers Poll - discussions

capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Qlder said:
Economy rate being way over rated. Fanie de Villiers bowled 9 overs per match with SR of 46 so basically took 1-32 per match. He had only two 4 wkt games so hardly a match winner
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The concept of match winners for ODI Bowlers is a bit sus. If your bowler is doing 1-32 in 9 overs ON AVERAGE in ODIs in the 90s; you hardly can demand anything more from them. Unlike Tests, you don't need to take 10 wickets. If the openers bat all day and end with 36*, you will take that over getting them all out in 35 overs.
 
Qlder

Qlder

International Vice-Captain
capt_Luffy said:
The concept of match winners for ODI Bowlers is a bit sus. If your bowler is doing 1-32 in 9 overs ON AVERAGE in ODIs in the 90s; you hardly can demand anything more from them. Unlike Tests, you don't need to take 10 wickets. If the openers bat all day and end with 36*, you will take that over getting them all out in 35 overs.
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Ok, but if I had to pick a still available SA pacer to be 25th best ever then I'm going to pick Steyn, Ntini or Morkel ahead of de Villiers 😉
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Qlder said:
Ok, but if I had to pick a still available SA pacer to be 25th best ever then I'm going to pick Steyn, Ntini or Morkel ahead of de Villiers 😉
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Imran Tahir was a better bowler than all of them, so we probably need more spinners to be nominated such as Tahir, Vettori, Hogg, Mendis, Qadir, Kuldeep, Shahid Afridi, Kumble, Abdur Razzaq, Zampa, Santner etc
 
Line and Length

Line and Length

International Coach
Qlder said:
Have to say that seems a flawed approach though. I mean you voted Chatfield at #9 based on econ ahead of Starc, Ambrose and Donald. Do you seriously think he's a better bowler than them just because of 1980's economy rates?
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My approach would be flawed if I solely considered ER, or even if I gave it top priority. I think my approach is fairly balanced. Having said that, I must confess I'm not a huge follower of ODIs and initially had a fairly limited group (including Chatfield) that I intended considering. This thread has since brought up additional names that I have since voted for ahead of Chatfield.
 
Line and Length

Line and Length

International Coach
As our list grows, it is expected that later inductees will have lesser credentials than those above them. However, when we consider the stats of the 13 players who have attracted votes in the past but have yet to be added to the list, then our results (as suggested by Qldr) might be considered flawed.
All 13 have better bowling averages than those 3 latest additions.
From a strike rate perspective, all 13 have a superior figure than FdV.
Malinga's ER is >5 (5.35) whilst all 13 waiting in the wings have figures <5 with four being <4.

On what grounds did these 3 get in? I'm not going to question Vaas being there, but it appears Malinga is in on reputation rather than performance. As for FdV, he only received the nod from 3 voters, but all gave him 3 points - apparently on his economy rate.
 
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capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Fuller Pilch said:
Imran Tahir was a better bowler than all of them, so we probably need more spinners to be nominated such as Tahir, Vettori, Hogg, Mendis, Qadir, Kuldeep, Shahid Afridi, Kumble, Abdur Razzaq, Zampa, Santner etc
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Will take FdV over Tahir, but I also agree (I mean ofcourse I do, I myself voted for him in the last round).
 
Qlder

Qlder

International Vice-Captain
@sayon basak
You had Akhtar as 2nd choice last round but this round you've gone with Dev, Johnson and Flintoff. I get Johnson as there's not much between him and Akhtar but just wondering what made you change your mind to drop Akhtar behind Dev and Flintoff?
 
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sayon basak

sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
Qlder said:
@sayon basak
You had Akhtar as 2nd choice last round but this round you've gone with Dev, Johnson and Flintoff. I get Johnson as there's not much between him and Akhtar but just wondering what made you change your mind to drop Akhtar behind Dev and Flintoff?
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Kapil Dev was pretty miserly. Went for 3.71 RPO in matches where the overall economy was 4.44. Didn't get to play against a lot of minnows too.
Johnson also maintained a similar economy while playing in significantly faster scoring matches and maintaining a higher WPI and similar S.R.
Flintoff too, maintained a similar average and strike rate while being significantly more economical.

Shoaib played more against minnows compared to these bowlers, so changed my mind last night. He'd still be the first name from the remaining bowlers tho.
 
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Fuller Pilch

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ankitj said:
Steyn should have been in by now
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Disagree. He was only the 3rd best bowler in his own team behind Tahir and Morkel, and Ntini who played earlier was also better. I can think of at least 15 bowlers ahead of Steyn who haven't been voted in yet.
 
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trundler

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Thala_0710 said:
He wasn't that good in ODIs so I wouldn't have him in. His white ball career is remembered sometimes more fondly because of his red ball heroics imo.
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It's actually the opposite. People underrate Steyn in ODIs because he bowled a less ***y style in ODIs compared to tests but he was still about as good as Morkel and the world's best bowler at times. Both definitely better than Fanie though.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International 12th Man
trundler said:
It's actually the opposite. People underrate Steyn in ODIs because he bowled a less ***y style in ODIs compared to tests but he was still about as good as Morkel and the world's best bowler at times. Both definitely better than Fanie though.
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I agree that he and Morkel were at a similar level in ODIs. But I wouldn't have either in my top 30. I wouldn't have FdV either but that's a seperate debate
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Thala_0710 said:
I agree that he and Morkel were at a similar level in ODIs. But I wouldn't have either in my top 30. I wouldn't have FdV either but that's a seperate debate
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trundler said:
It's actually the opposite. People underrate Steyn in ODIs because he bowled a less ***y style in ODIs compared to tests but he was still about as good as Morkel and the world's best bowler at times. Both definitely better than Fanie though.
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Lol. No ways Steyn or Morkel were better than FdV or he is below Top 25
 
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