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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
Qlder said:
My "currently older than 80" ATG XI

1. Bob Simpson (89)
2. Geoff Boycott (84)
3. Ian Chappell (c) (81)
4. Neil Harvey (96)
5. Rohan Kanhai (89)
6. Garry Sobers (88)
7. Farokh Engineer (+) (86)
8. Peter Pollock (83)
9. Wes Hall (87)
10. John Snow (83)
11. Lance Gibbs (90)

Reserves:
Bill Lawry (88), Garth McKenzie (83), Deryck Murray (+) (81), Asif Iqbal (81)
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Basically picks itself atm, doesn't it.
 
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Srinath P

School Boy/Girl Captain
Tejretics said:
Been thinking about what my all-time eleven would be among players who retired after 1970 (considering their careers as a whole).

In my mind, I prefer teams that try to win, rather than to avoid losing, so I’m for aggressive batters, bowlers with high strike rates, and a broadly win-minded approach. I’ll go through my eleven and then justify it. Note: I’m evaluating players cumulatively over their careers, rather than merely their peaks.
  1. Barry Richards
  2. Gordon Greenidge
  3. Viv Richards
  4. Brian Lara
  5. Steve Smith
  6. Garry Sobers
  7. Adam Gilchrist †
  8. Wasim Akram
  9. Malcolm Marshall
  10. Shane Warne
  11. Dale Steyn
The openers: Barry Richards, in my mind, is the best first-class opener of this period. His contemporaries considered him the most talented batter of his generation, perhaps surpassing Viv. I actually suspect Gavaskar was a better opener than Greenidge—but for the approach I’m taking with my side, I prefer batters who can attack even pretty good deliveries and take risks, so I picked Greenidge anyway.

The middle order: Viv speaks for himself. I think Tendulkar’s probably a marginally better batsman than Lara, but I needed a left-hander. Smith isn’t quite so aggressive as the rest of my top five—although our standards for aggression have increased over time, and he’s more than capable of dispatching away good balls and scoring at 60ish rates on form—but as far as I’m concerned, he’s the best Test batter since Bradman.

The all-rounders: I picked Sobers over Kallis for someone who can dominate bowling attacks in that position, and for an additional left-hander. I considered picking a pure wicketkeeper like Knott to strengthen the bowling, but I reckon Gilchrist’s presence also frees up the earlier batters to bat with freedom.

The bowlers: Akram might be marginally worse than the likes of Khan/Hadlee/McGrath/Lillee/Ambrose, but having a somewhat more unpredictable left-armer—more variations, swinging it both ways, reverse swinging the old ball, able to swing it or bowl yorkers at pace—seems worth it to me, even though Sobers offers another left-arm option. I’m open to being convinced that Sobers is enough and McGrath’s too good to be excluded. As far as I’m concerned, though, Warne, Marshall, and Murali are the three greatest bowlers of all time—except perhaps Sydney Barnes—and Steyn is the second-best fast bowler of this period. I ended up excluding Murali as I consider Warne marginally better.
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An alternate XI:

Gavaskar, Boycott, Kallis, Sachin, Border, de Villiers, Knott, Hadlee, McGrath, Murali, Ambrose

I have a bad feeling that I'm forgetting someone here but I don't know who
 
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Srinath P

School Boy/Girl Captain
Srinath P said:
An alternate XI:

Gavaskar, Boycott, Kallis, Sachin, Border, de Villiers, Knott, Hadlee, McGrath, Murali, Ambrose

I have a bad feeling that I'm forgetting someone here but I don't know who
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Garner makes a really good argument in this team. Could come in place of Ambrose since this team probably needs a non-new ball bowler.
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
Can choose a third team

Matt Hayden
G Smith
Kumar Sangakkara
G Chappell
Javed Miandad
Ian Botham
MS Dhoni +*
R Ashwin
DK Lillee
J Garner
Waqar Younis
 
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Tejretics

Cricket Spectator
As far as wicketkeeper-batters go, I think Andy Flower deserves a shout. He’d be ~tied with Gilchrist for my top pick, although of course the case for a brilliant pure wicketkeeper who’s a competent batsman—such as Knott—is good too.
 
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Tejretics

Cricket Spectator
My best ODI XI is probably:
  1. Rohit Sharma
  2. Sachin Tendulkar
  3. Virat Kohli
  4. Viv Richards
  5. AB de Villiers
  6. Lance Klusener
  7. MS Dhoni †
  8. Wasim Akram
  9. Joel Garner
  10. Muttiah Muralitharan
  11. Glenn McGrath
I’d also be fine replacing one of McGrath or Garner with Bumrah, since McGrath and Garner are similar in some ways (e.g., didn’t have express pace or swing but very accurate and generated lots of bounce with their height, although Garner varied his length a bit more and McGrath got a bit more movement off the seam). Not that Akram is the best of the lot, necessarily, but having a left-armer who can swing it both ways seems like a high value-add to a one-day side.

Dhoni doesn’t quite have the strike rate to be a perfect number seven—he, like Bevan, is perhaps a player better off anchoring a chase and becoming aggressive at the very end once he’s settled into the crease—but I wanted Klusener’s left-handedness in there earlier, given how right-dominant the side is before 6. Perhaps there’s a case for Jayasuriya over Rohit, both for some additional overs (although I’m okay with Klusener bowling 7-8 overs in this side and Viv taking the rest) and some left-handedness earlier on, but I think Rohit has proven too effective as an opener lately to exclude.
 
bagapath

bagapath

International Captain
I will present an alternate xi

Adam Gilchrist +
Sanath Jayasurya (6)
Ricky Ponting *
Michael Bevan
Michael Hussey
Andrew Symonds (7)
Andrew Flintoff (4)
Shaun Pollock (3)
Saqlain Mushtaq (5)
Waqar Younis (2)
Allan Donald (1)
 
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Srinath P

School Boy/Girl Captain
bagapath said:
I will present an alternate xi

Adam Gilchrist +
Sanath Jayasurya (6)
Ricky Ponting *
Michael Bevan
Michael Hussey
Andrew Symonds (7)
Andrew Flintoff (4)
Shaun Pollock (3)
Saqlain Mushtaq (5)
Waqar Younis (2)
Allan Donald (1)
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Brett Lee in place of Waqar? He definitely had better numbers despite playing in a more batting friendly era. And Waqar's economy was a bit high for someone who primarily played in the 90s.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Another variation:

Brian Lara
Saeed Anwar
Zaheer Abbas
Dean Jones
Yuvraj Singh
Jos Buttler+
Kapil Dev*
Mitchell Starc
Shane Warne
Curtly Ambrose
Jasprit Bumrah
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
So we were having fun with google AI in another thread so I asked it to make an ATG XI and a second XI to play them

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Gilchrist+
Warne
Marshall
Muralitharan
McGrath

vs

Hutton
Hayden
Ponting
Smith
Kallis
Imran
Flower+
Wasim
Ambrose
Steyn
Barnes
 
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