• Welcome to the Cricket Web forums, one of the biggest forums in the world dedicated to cricket.

    You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Cricket Web community today!

    If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

S

Srinath P

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Fuller Pilch said:
Rohit is a fine player but I don't pick him in an ATG team for 3 main reasons:

1. Weak against swing/seam/elite pace. I've often seen him dominated in ODIs by Boult and Henry. I don't know if he'd last long against the likes of McGrath, Wasim, Garner, Pollock, Hadlee, Bond, Donald, Bracken etc.

2. He can't bowl. Viv and Sachin are okay, but I'd really want a decent 6th bowling option, so someone like Jayasuriya is considered

3. He is a poor fielder and slow between wickets.
Click to expand...
He did have a good record against Starc. Shitted the bed against Steyn and peak Amir though, so I can see where you're going with this.

I think he was an okay fielder. And he was able to hold his own running with Virat so that shouldn't be a major issue either.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Rohit is fine really. Atleast one batting there's no comparison with Jayasuriya. Sonif Flintoff plays and bowls 7-8 overs, I will like to have him as well. Btw my choice is Lara, this team needs a lefty.
 
S

Srinath P

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Where do you guys rate Warner among these openers? I found his career to be quite interesting but not really sure if he's in the top 5 openers of all time.
 
S

Srinath P

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Imran was an AR in ODIs for like 4 or 5 years max. And his peak is not even comparable to Watson or Kapil or Pollock or Flintoff or Klusener or Sanath.

At least in tests he bowled consistently throughout the 80s and was very good with the bat.

Jayasuriya is definitely better than Watson.

It's hard to evaluate Shakib. He played 5 WCs, gave 4 bad ones, and one absolutely legendary WC. His strike rates are prolly too low for someone batting primarily at 4 or 5 but then Bangladesh's batting was terrible and Bangladeshi pitches were **** to bat on. But they certainly helped in getting his bowling numbers better.
 
Last edited:
trundler

trundler

Request Your Custom Title Now!
capt_Luffy said:
The only argument I can see is for Rizwan really, but I think Rizwan is easily a better keeper
Click to expand...
No. Rahim was a bad keeper and Rizwan is the best in the world right now. Rahim is a good batsman but Rizwan is too. He either has an argument to be ahead of Pant/De Kock/Watling/Rizwan as a whole or he doesn't. All on the same level.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
trundler said:
No. Rahim was a bad keeper and Rizwan is the best in the world right now. Rahim is a good batsman but Rizwan is too. He either has an argument to be ahead of Pant/De Kock/Watling/Rizwan as a whole or he doesn't. All on the same level.
Click to expand...
Eh, Rizwan lacks longevity. Even at this point in time Sarfaraz is still a very similar level as a batsman (not as a keeper though).
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
trundler said:
No. Rahim was a bad keeper and Rizwan is the best in the world right now. Rahim is a good batsman but Rizwan is too. He either has an argument to be ahead of Pant/De Kock/Watling/Rizwan as a whole or he doesn't. All on the same level.
Click to expand...
Rizwan still just hasn't played long enough. Agree he is a much superior keeper though, said so even in the post; and I will easily take him ahead of Mushfiqur for that.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Tejretics said:
Been thinking about what my all-time eleven would be among players who retired after 1970 (considering their careers as a whole).

In my mind, I prefer teams that try to win, rather than to avoid losing, so I’m for aggressive batters, bowlers with high strike rates, and a broadly win-minded approach. I’ll go through my eleven and then justify it. Note: I’m evaluating players cumulatively over their careers, rather than merely their peaks.
  1. Barry Richards
  2. Gordon Greenidge
  3. Viv Richards
  4. Brian Lara
  5. Steve Smith
  6. Garry Sobers
  7. Adam Gilchrist †
  8. Wasim Akram
  9. Malcolm Marshall
  10. Shane Warne
  11. Dale Steyn
The openers: Barry Richards, in my mind, is the best first-class opener of this period. His contemporaries considered him the most talented batter of his generation, perhaps surpassing Viv. I actually suspect Gavaskar was a better opener than Greenidge—but for the approach I’m taking with my side, I prefer batters who can attack even pretty good deliveries and take risks, so I picked Greenidge anyway.

The middle order: Viv speaks for himself. I think Tendulkar’s probably a marginally better batsman than Lara, but I needed a left-hander. Smith isn’t quite so aggressive as the rest of my top five—although our standards for aggression have increased over time, and he’s more than capable of dispatching away good balls and scoring at 60ish rates on form—but as far as I’m concerned, he’s the best Test batter since Bradman.

The all-rounders: I picked Sobers over Kallis for someone who can dominate bowling attacks in that position, and for an additional left-hander. I considered picking a pure wicketkeeper like Knott to strengthen the bowling, but I reckon Gilchrist’s presence also frees up the earlier batters to bat with freedom.

The bowlers: Akram might be marginally worse than the likes of Khan/Hadlee/McGrath/Lillee/Ambrose, but having a somewhat more unpredictable left-armer—more variations, swinging it both ways, reverse swinging the old ball, able to swing it or bowl yorkers at pace—seems worth it to me, even though Sobers offers another left-arm option. I’m open to being convinced that Sobers is enough and McGrath’s too good to be excluded. As far as I’m concerned, though, Warne, Marshall, and Murali are the three greatest bowlers of all time—except perhaps Sydney Barnes—and Steyn is the second-best fast bowler of this period. I ended up excluding Murali as I consider Warne marginally better.
Click to expand...
See, someone gets it, lol.
 
Qlder

Qlder

International Regular
My "currently older than 80" ATG XI

1. Bob Simpson (89)
2. Geoff Boycott (84)
3. Ian Chappell (c) (81)
4. Neil Harvey (96)
5. Rohan Kanhai (89)
6. Garry Sobers (88)
7. Farokh Engineer (+) (86)
8. Peter Pollock (83)
9. Wes Hall (87)
10. John Snow (83)
11. Lance Gibbs (90)

Reserves:
Bill Lawry (88), Garth McKenzie (83), Deryck Murray (+) (81), Asif Iqbal (81)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Top