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4th Match - Australia v England
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Qlder
International Vice-Captain
You want to drop Duckett after a brilliant 165, wow
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
He doesn't bowl. This side only has 9 bowling options. What happens if there's 5 injuries mid game? Your ****ed all because you want duckett.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Yeah.. Even I wont be selecting that side. lol
Gob
International Coach
He has a face only a mother could love and his batting is torturous to the eye so that is not an ideal combination to have to win people over
I do agree that he has done better than I thought he would
Silly Point 2.0
School Boy/Girl Captain
It's probably more to do with my dislike of this side and set up as a whole tbh. But yes some are less irritating than others
LangleyburyCCPlayer
State Vice-Captain
With the amount of bowling he did in the ODI series before this tournament, I think we have been grooming him as our next all-rounder, but is he the answer with the ball?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I mean, he could be. I get the feeling Baz and the brass at ECB have decided this CT is basically a write-off. They almost exclusively seem to be grooming a side for the 2027 WC, which is not bad. But Wood being in contention is definitely puzzling then. Unless they think they have another 150+ kph bowler ready to take over that role between now and then.
I agree Woakes & Willey could have been in the squad...
I don't understand why Salt is picked in the ODI squad though.. He's an exciting T20 player but his style is such that he'll rarely stick to the crease for a long period of time. In T20, a quick 30 can be worth, but not in ODIs... He's a bit like Crawley in the Test side. England HOPE that they'll improve, but they just don't :/
I think they need someone more reliable to open with Duckett. Either Buttler, Brook, or maybe Smith (as he's a good Test batter).
Could Tom Banton be given a go, after his great form in Abu Dhabi ?
Given the squad they have :
Duckett
Buttler
Root
Livingstone (it seems he's better higher the order in the end, no ?)
Brook
Smith
Banton
Overton/Mahmood
Atkinson
Rashid
Wood
I don't understand why Salt is picked in the ODI squad though.. He's an exciting T20 player but his style is such that he'll rarely stick to the crease for a long period of time. In T20, a quick 30 can be worth, but not in ODIs... He's a bit like Crawley in the Test side. England HOPE that they'll improve, but they just don't :/
I think they need someone more reliable to open with Duckett. Either Buttler, Brook, or maybe Smith (as he's a good Test batter).
Could Tom Banton be given a go, after his great form in Abu Dhabi ?
Given the squad they have :
Duckett
Buttler
Root
Livingstone (it seems he's better higher the order in the end, no ?)
Brook
Smith
Banton
Overton/Mahmood
Atkinson
Rashid
Wood
And let's not forget England did win a 50 over trophy in Asia with a bunch of medium pacers.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
Mainly because we don't have a seaming all rounder in the squad. They tried with Overton in India, but his batting is just not even close to all rounder status. The glaring omission is Curran, whose batting has improved immensely and would offer something different to the "right arm bowl fast" club. We called it out before they even went to India.
McCullum needs to start getting results because the English public is rapidly losing interest in this team. Entertainment Schmentertainment......winning is all that really matters.
Woakes batted at seven for much of the 2019 WC. The top six was ATG-level though. I think Root/LL backing up Rashid is fine with three decent seamers. Archer and Mahmood should play, but none of the others fill me with any confidence.
CricAddict
International Coach
Yeah, this go all-in with pace is what is ruining a good team. Should at least get Saqib and Rehan in with Curran not in squad.
Get Buttler back to open , Root at 3. I think only one of Salt/Brook should play. The top order batting looks solid with Buttler-Duckett-Root.
Get Buttler back to open , Root at 3. I think only one of Salt/Brook should play. The top order batting looks solid with Buttler-Duckett-Root.
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
Is this t20 cricketer?
CricAddict
International Coach
No. ODI team.
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
Has buttler ever opened in ODI Cricket? I generally don't like the idea of buttler, root and duckett all being top 3. Root and duckett are England's only good players of spin, and buttlers the only guy besides them who I trust to score adequately in the middle overs vs spin without block and slogging inconsistently. With that line-up your walking into every game knowing you can't lose more than 1 wicket in the powerplay and putting way too much pressure on the top 3. Your going to end up not capitalising on the powerplay, which England can't afford to do with the state of there bowling.
If you really want to get funky like that you could promote brook to 3? We saw he can't open leading into last WC and he can't bat middle order consistently because of his issues vs wrist spin (strikes at 60 vs leg spin over his first 20 balls in ODI; Way too easy to just bowl a leggie to him and build pressure).
If you put brook at 3 he can hopefully walk in around the ~4th over when the ball stops swinging. At that point the field isn't spread so he can get into his innings, and the bad balls from the spinner he usually hits to the sweeper are now a boundary. Also means root can keep do his middle over engine room stuff at 4, which has worked recently.
I think talking about England's batting misses the bigger issue, which is there bowling. You can rearrange the deck chairs on the titanic all you want in regards to the batting, but it's not gonna matter with the state of England's bowling. They bowl well in the PP and rashid is good in the middle. That's it. They suck at the death and teams know they can just milk rashid and target the other end in the middle.
Look at the Australia game. England used the powerplay well. Duckett and root gave them a good platform at the 30 over mark, then duckett and jofra got them 350 despite some hiccups (Harry Brook vs Leg spin). They probably left 20 runs out there between 35 and 45 which Australia didn't, but they still did above par for two of the three major phases of the game. If your bowling is half competent that should be enough.
Focusing on the batting misses the bigger issue. England's batting has to be near perfect to make up for the bowling.