Pick the ideal batsman for these scenarios

[Coronis]

Crowe

Fun fact: He was never dismissed by Hadlee in 1st class cricket (Auckland & Central Districts vs Canterbury; Somerset vs Notts)

How many matches, out of curiousity?

 

[subshakerz]

1. Don't exactly agree, against Australia his biggest nemesis was Warne, against McGrath he struggled more so with the bounce, New Zealand is far more similar to England than it is to Australia and so I think Dravid, who is perhaps the Greatest in England of this millenium, is a better choice.

2. I think Hobbs probably just had more technique, Sehwag looks down on spinners so I think it's likely he might pull a Viv 1983 world cup final and send it to a fielder, Hobbs would take his time but I feel like due to the nature of his play he is neither too slow but also very reliable.

4. Gooch works fine too

5. I think Viv is the better Batsmen of the two against reverse seeing how he worked against Imran (who I've above the Ws) so I'd go Viv, Crowe is also a good shout.

6. I doubt that, Viv played recklessly against normal bowlers more so than ATGs who he played very well, Border's record against West Indies on faster wickets is not very convincing to say the least.

Dravid to me will be kept completely quiet by Hadlee and gave no space to breathe. Wasn't great against the outswingers too. I think Smith is a better bet.

2. Hobbs to me has too many questions about how he played spin. Sehwag has no questions.

5. Gavaskar is also a good shout.

6. If Viv knows Holding is out to kill him, I think he will get into a 'fire meets fire' situation. But I have no issues with him being the no.1 selection here.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Dravid to me will be kept completely quiet by Hadlee and gave no space to breathe. Wasn't great against the outswingers too.

Jesus christ I don't know how do you manage to do this. Literally everything you post just exposes how little you actually watch cricket. Not nicking outswingers was literally the thing Dravid was best at and arguably one of the best ever at that particular thing. His weakness was bounce from a good length because his wrists would get low and also oscillate from high-to-low as part of his trigger movement which made him susceptible to deliveries that rose unexpectedly when defending (particularly off the front foot).

 

[OverratedSanity]

Saying Dravid wasn't good against outswingers is like saying Murali didn't know how to spin the ball. Get in the bin if you actually believe that lol.

 

[Captcha]

Who is your choice bat for these scenarios?

Overcast Day 1 morning in Christchurch facing Hadlee

Dusty 5th day crumbling Chennai wicket facing Ashwin and Kumble, chasing 250

Last over, final wicket partnership to save the game on a Gabba wicket facing McGrath

Near end of days play and coming out to open on a Sabina Park wicket facing Ambrose

New batsman on a Faislabad wicket facing Wasim and Waqar reversing with the old ball

Facing a pissed off Michael Holding on a Perth wicket who wants to kill the batsman

Last over of ODI tournament final in Johannesburg, 15 runs needed, Shaun Pollock bowling

Steve smith
Misbah
Stokes
Viv
Crowe
Ponting

 

[capt_Luffy]

@Red_Ink_Squid sorry have one more here...... Dude is persistent, will give him that

 

[Johan]

Dravid to me will be kept completely quiet by Hadlee and gave no space to breathe. Wasn't great against the outswingers too. I think Smith is a better bet.

2. Hobbs to me has too many questions about how he played spin. Sehwag has no questions.

5. Gavaskar is also a good shout.

6. If Viv knows Holding is out to kill him, I think he will get into a 'fire meets fire' situation. But I have no issues with him being the no.1 selection here.

1. from what I saw in 2011, Dravid had no problem with outswingers against Dukes, against Kookaburra in New Zealand it's a nonfactor imo. This is kind of Hadlee's problem, his movement won't bother him at all, and he has McGrath like ability to analyse and combine accuracy with subtle movement but he doesn't have the awkward bounce to break through Dravid.

2. Hm, well fair, that's where our views disconnect.

5. True.

6. agreed, I think in 90% cases Viv will smash Holding apart and 10% he might **** up.

 

[capt_Luffy]

1. from what I saw in 2011, Dravid had no problem with outswingers against Dukes, against Kookaburra in New Zealand it's a nonfactor imo. This is kind of Hadlee's problem, his movement won't bother him at all, and he has McGrath like ability to analyse and combine accuracy with subtle movement but he doesn't have the awkward bounce to break through Dravid.

2. Hm, well fair, that's where our views disconnect.

5. True.

6. agreed, I think in 90% cases Viv will smash Holding apart and 10% he might **** up.

Outswingers are like the thing he is best known for..... My father always talked about his ability to leave a ball others will try to play and might edge (shaking my head while starring at Kohli)

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

1.Hadlee would just get rid of all the batsmen at the other end

2.Ashwin and Kumble will win the match easily so it doesn't matter.

3.Okay 1 over of McGrath is doable, a defensively sound bat like Dravid or Boycott

4.Im sending a nightwatchman what's there to gain by sending your best bat to face Ambrose for 1 over.

5.Probably Miandad he grew up in those conditions and probably knows the umpire too.

6. I reckon Sobers would calm him down pretty quickly

7.You'd need a finisher so I'd go Mike Hussey

 

[Johan]

Outswingers are like the thing he is best known for..... My father always talked about his ability to leave a ball others will try to play and might edge (shaking my head while starring at Kohli)

the ability to not edge is so important in Cricket.

 

[capt_Luffy]

1.Hadlee would just get rid of all the batsmen at the other end

2.Ashwin and Kumble will win the match easily so it doesn't matter.

3.Okay 1 over of McGrath is doable, a defensively sound bat like Dravid or Boycott

4.Im sending a nightwatchman what's there to gain by sending your best bat to face Ambrose for 1 over.

5.Probably Miandad he grew up in those conditions and probably knows the umpire too.

6. I reckon Sobers would calm him down pretty quickly

7.You'd need a finisher so I'd go Mike Hussey

Perfect Solution!!!

 

[Johan]

I might send Compton against Ashwin

 

[capt_Luffy]

I might send Compton against Ashwin

Against Ashwin has to be Sehwag. Ashwin got traumatized in nets when he was borderline retired

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

1. from what I saw in 2011, Dravid had no problem with outswingers against Dukes, against Kookaburra in New Zealand it's a nonfactor imo. This is kind of Hadlee's problem, his movement won't bother him at all, and he has McGrath like ability to analyse and combine accuracy with subtle movement but he doesn't have the awkward bounce to break through Dravid.

Hadlee was certainly capable of getting awkward bounce and used that ability to give Zaheer Abbas all sorts of trouble when Pakistan toured here in 1985 (Hadlee would have been 33). The commentators would say things like, "Zaheer has difficulty with bouncers, now that he's getting older" but I could see that Hadlee was getting sharp lift off a length and that ANY batsman would have struggled with that. Hadlee had a high and whippy action, and (I don't know whether this would help bounce) could land the ball on the seam at will.

Here are some clips showing Hadlee causing problems with bounce (not necessarily off a length):

Hadlee at Lords, 32 here, note the delivery at 0:30 (I have posted this clip a couple of times before):

Hadlee at the MCG, 36 here, note the deliveries at 0:47 and 2:20:

Hadlee at Lords again, a week off 39, note the second delivery to Gooch:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathrattlePorn/comments/1cez2kr _produce_a_perfect/

 

[subshakerz]

Outswingers are like the thing he is best known for..... My father always talked about his ability to leave a ball others will try to play and might edge (shaking my head while starring at Kohli)

Struggled against Steyns outswingers from what I recall. But then that was Steyn.

 

[Coronis]

Hadlee was certainly capable of getting awkward bounce and used that ability to give Zaheer Abbas all sorts of trouble when Pakistan toured here in 1985 (Hadlee would have been 33). The commentators would say things like, "Zaheer has difficulty with bouncers, now that he's getting older" but I could see that Hadlee was getting sharp lift off a length and that ANY batsman would have struggled with that. Hadlee had a high and whippy action, and (I don't know whether this would help bounce) could land the ball on the seam at will.

Here are some clips showing Hadlee causing problems with bounce (not necessarily off a length):

Hadlee at Lords, 32 here, note the delivery at 0:30 (I have posted this clip a couple of times before):

Hadlee at the MCG, 36 here, note the deliveries at 0:47 and 2:20:

Hadlee at Lords again, a week off 39, note the second delivery to Gooch:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathrattlePorn/comments/1cez2kr _produce_a_perfect/

Hadlee was much more versatile than he is given credit for by some people here. I’ve heard his bowling being described as “too similar to McGrath” on here

 

[subshakerz]

Saying Dravid wasn't good against outswingers is like saying Murali didn't know how to spin the ball. Get in the bin if you actually believe that lol.

Fair enough I should have qualified that with saying outswingers that hit off the deck because that was what I actually was referring to. So I deserve that blasting, apologies.

 

[subshakerz]

Hadlee was much more versatile than he is given credit for by some people here. I’ve heard his bowling being described as “too similar to McGrath” on here

Yup. He was a seam and outswing specialist. Somewhat different to McGrath.

 

[Bolo.]

Hadlee was much more versatile than he is given credit for by some people here. I’ve heard his bowling being described as “too similar to McGrath” on here

That's mainly just in the context of picking ATG teams, and wanting to maximise variety. It's mostly about having a bowler who can give you reverse.

2 RFM principally channel bowlers without reverse is very similar when you have every bowler in history to pick from, even if they are otherwise extremely different.

It's not a failure to give Hadlee his due. He's a good shout for GOAT quick.

And I also feel the same way about Steyn and Hadlee, despite them being more different, and Steyn and Mcgrath being basically polar opposites.

 

[Coronis]

That's mainly just in the context of picking ATG teams, and wanting to maximise variety. It's mostly about having a bowler who can give you reverse.

2 RFM principally channel bowlers without reverse is very similar when you have every bowler in history to pick from, even if they are otherwise extremely different.

It's not a failure to give Hadlee his due. He's a good shout for GOAT quick.

And I also feel the same way about Steyn and Hadlee, despite them being more different, and Steyn and Mcgrath being basically polar opposites.

I guess that’s my difference then, I don’t see reverse swing as being particularly important or necessary.