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**Official** Pakistan Tri-Nation Series

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Finn Allen white ball keeper :-)
Finn Allen can bosh a dropped catch.

It's funny how many part-time or former keepers there actually are in the first choice lineup too. Conway, Macewell, Phillips can all keep (or used to) but you wouldn't trust any of them to do it on a regular basis. Finn was in that category too before he got dropped for Young.
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Finn Allen can bosh a dropped catch.

It's funny how many part-time or former keepers there actually are in the first choice lineup too. Conway, Macewell, Phillips can all keep (or used to) but you wouldn't trust any of them to do it on a regular basis. Finn was in that category too before he got dropped for Young.
I'm actually wondering if they'll ever go back to a "specialist" keeper-bat anytime soon considering the preference for batsman-keepers in the white ball sides.

Like they've trialled those who actually keep in domestic level like Cleaver and Hay but they seem to prefer batsman. I'm guessing they feel they can get away with it in the short form so long as they're not atrocious with the gloves.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I'm actually wondering if they'll ever go back to a "specialist" keeper-bat anytime soon considering the preference for batsman-keepers in the white ball sides.

Like they've trialled those who actually keep in domestic level like Cleaver and Hay but they seem to prefer batsman. I'm guessing they feel they can get away with it in the short form so long as they're not atrocious with the gloves.
Latham is actually pretty great with the gloves for someone who probably doesn't practice it full time. But yeah making your Test opener do it does send a certain message regardless of how he manages the task.
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Latham is actually pretty great with the gloves for someone who probably doesn't practice it full time. But yeah making your Test opener do it does send a certain message regardless of how he manages the task.
I was thinking about this when I saw a replay of the runout. Latham is a perfectly serviceable white ball keeper. If his skill level was that of someone like Seifert you'd think he may have been dropped by now, but in the Stead setup I'm not so sure. But with a decent lower order of finishers and in form top order he's definitely able to fly under the radar as his keeping isn't drawing attention to itself - though one NZ media outlet wrote about his place in the ODI side yesterday so time may be up for him.

edit: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/36057...latham-shaky-ground-after-hat-trick-odi-ducks
 
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straw man

Hall of Fame Member
One thing I will argue with you on is giving an F about the Champions Trophy. I care. It's a major tournament, proper 50 over cricket, against the world's best sides. I massively care. I know I'm probably not in the majority, but I'll be glued.

I just look at 50-over cricket and it makes me annoyed at humans. In the 80s and 90s, and into most of the 00s, we loved ODI cricket. The greatest days of my life were on the terraces for ODI games. What's changed? Nothing apart from our attention span. We had an amazing product and we cannibalised it with lame, unmemorable cricket. I hate that.
Never fear, I'll eagerly watch the Champions Trophy. This one feels a little messy/odd - India not playing in Pakistan, questionable involvement of Afghanistant, Australia seemingly fielding a cbf side (they'll probably still win) - but it still should have some great cricket. If crowds in this tri-series are anything to go by the CT itself will be a big deal in Pakistan and that will add a lot of atmosphere.

I was as much arguing against the prevailing wisdom that you shouldn't pick someone for a big tournament if they haven't been extensively tried out already. In the past we have often spent 12-18 months prior to ODI world cups playing a heap of ODIs, trialling numerous players, disregarding those who don't have say 20 ODIs under their belt. But world tournaments are so frequent now, one per year, if you follow this logic it really slows the rate of introducing new players. The ODI World Cup is still a bigger deal, but for the Champions Trophy I would be fine throwing in a promising player with only a handful of ODIs and T20Is to replace someone busted like Latham. Though also note Latham wouldn't have played a white ball game since the ODI world cup if I was selector, so the replacement guy would still have twice as many NZ matches as Hay does currently.

Anyway, Latham is it. Three ducks in a row so err the only way is up. I will repeat that yes, he is actually a good player. Though aside from terrible white ball form, there's also the feeling that he'll fade when the pressure is on in a knockout match, an issue that already hangs over a few others like Young and Chapman too.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
First ball de Zorzi had no clue on Abrar. When in doubt use your feet or sweep and he used the first one and hit a beaut 6. Looked good so far.
 

Gnske

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah seeing that incident with Bavuma and earlier Breetzke, I can only assume Pakistan are losing their minds out there.

You'd have to be a gutless piece of trash to send off someone 4 foot tall.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
Yeah seeing that incident with Bavuma and earlier Breetzke, I can only assume Pakistan are losing their minds out there.

You'd have to be a gutless piece of trash to send off someone 4 foot tall.
One interaction I saw Breetzke saying to Shaheen Shah that I'm not looking up at you 😂
 

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