Best South African opener?

[capt_Luffy]

Kambli destroyed his career due to indiscipline.
Same with Prithvi.

Tragic to see him missing even on Mumbai Ranji team.

 

[Thala_0710]

Tragic to see him missing even on Mumbai Ranji team.

Jaiswal and Shaw opening for us in tests. What could have been!

 

[capt_Luffy]

How was Steven Smith rated before making his debut?

Absolutely love this one:

CW Worst 15 Cricketers of All Time - The Results

Yes should feature in this list some time in 2018 give or take Steady on old bean, I'd have to up my output considerably to get to Sinclair before 2018. At the current rate of an update every year, I'd be forecasting Sinclair somewhere around 2030.

www.cricketweb.net

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Barry Richards on pure talent and ability clears Mitchell and Smith.

 

[Coronis]

Hill was Great and was considered an equal in true wickets. Trumper had his best work in English tour matches though. Back then they were almost as important as Tests.

Funny that Trumper’s test record is more held up by home performances compared to Hill’s tho. Particularly SA’s tour of Aus in 10/11.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Funny that Trumper’s test record is more held up by home performances compared to Hill’s tho. Particularly SA’s tour of Aus in 10/11.

yara yara..... btw yk what I said is true

 

[Coronis]

yara yara..... btw yk what I said is true

I know you believe it to be true.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I know you believe it to be true.

I just knew you don't...... Interesting

 

[Coronis]

I just knew you don't...... Interesting

I’m just going off the facts I know. imo Trumper was more rocks and diamonds, no doubt capable of playing superior innings to Hill, but Hill was far more consistent, and better in and against England.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I’m just going off the facts I know. imo Trumper was more rocks and diamonds, no doubt capable of playing superior innings to Hill, but Hill was far more consistent, and better in and against England.

I think Trumper's wet wicket runs in tour matches are plenty well documented. You can argue Hill was better in Tests, I won't complain much (I will, but different story). Victor was exactly known for his marquees innings in wet English pitches. Don't think any point is there in denying that.

 

[Coronis]

I think Trumper's wet wicket runs in tour matches are plenty well documented. You can argue Hill was better in Tests, I won't complain much (I will, but different story). Victor was exactly known for his marquees innings in wet English pitches. Don't think any point is there in denying that.

Like I said, rocks and diamonds vs consistency

 

[capt_Luffy]

Like I said, rocks and diamonds vs consistency

Trumper averages higher in FC. Not bad for an inconsistent player known for a very risk heavy approach and marquee innings

 

[peterhrt]

I guess @peterhrt could provide some info.

Barry Richards v West Indian attacks.

First-class: 321 runs @ 64.20

WSC "Super Test": 37 runs @ 37.00

 

[OverratedSanity]

Barry Richards v West Indian attacks.

First-class: 321 runs @ 64.20

WSC "Super Test": 37 runs @ 37.00

Was this the rebel tours or county stuff? IIRC pollock was more successful vs the rebel sides which included Sylvester Clarke and Franklyn Stephenson.

 

[peterhrt]

Was this the rebel tours or county stuff? IIRC pollock was more successful vs the rebel sides which included Sylvester Clarke and Franklyn Stephenson.

Combination of rebel tours and WI tourists to England. Pollock scored 548 first-class runs @ 49.81 against West Indian sides.

 

[kyear2]

Actually you are wrong. Before playing Tests, Hick was often compared with Lara and Tendulkar

And I'm telling you he wasn't.

There was the British hype machine, but no one thought he was as good as those two.

Last night I even took a peek at his Cricinfo bio, it was well known what he was.

 

[kyear2]

Almost all IIRC, except Mark Butcher. Peer ratings sucks ass as the idea of Barry>Gavaskar.

You want to believe it sucks ass because it doesn't favor any of the batsmen you prefer.

At no point in the 70's was Sunny seen as better than Barry, and certainly not in the first half, possibly there could have been a reason for that.

You're more than happy to accept peer ratings when it's for Hobbs and especially Trumper.

You're just inconsistent as **** when it's for one of your guys.

 

[Coronis]

And I'm telling you he wasn't.

You tell us lots of things tbh.

 

[kyear2]

Exactly. Hence why consistent performances at the top level for a good time, i.e sample size is important for me at the top level. Can't rate Barry ahead of ATGs even if he was thought to be better than Don.
However with Graeme Smith and Bruce Mitchell, I see the point

His rating was based on his performances.

I don't get your point.

 

[Thala_0710]

His rating was based on his performances.

I don't get your point.

Performances mainly in FC games though. He played single digit tests+WSC games.