***official*** England whiteball tour of india January 2025***

[grecian]

I genuinely think our pace bowling and Rashid has been our only good thing about these games.

We need to score more runs particularly big scores.

 

[FBU]

Archer 48 wickets at 25.41 econ 5.02
Wood 77 wickets at 39.46 econ 5.52
Carse 23 wickets at 38.17 econ 6.33
Mahmood 16 wickets at 26.43 econ 5.00
Atkinson 11 wickets at 35.27 econ 6.09
Overton 1 wicket at 17.00 econ 4.25

Rashid 207 wickets at 32,.71 econ 5.61
Root 27 wickets at 59.14 econ 5.80
Bethell 5 wickets at 32.40 econ 7.04
Livingstone 21 wickets at 37.95 econ 6.07
Ahmed 10 wickets at 23.30 econ 4.95

Wonder what the team will be tomorrow...

 

[honestbharani]

I think England are overcomplicating things as of now, which is the antithesis of Bazball. I guess it also depends on if England think Buttler can be an ODI opener. For mine, I will go, for T20Is -

Duckett
Buttler (c)
Root
Brook
Bethell
Smith (wk)
Livingstone
Rashid/Rehan
Carse/Atkinson
Archer/Wood
Mahmood/Topley


And for ODIs,

maybe see if Brook can open and slot Buttler down at 5? Or just open with Root in ODIs and move the rest around.

 

[Nintendo]

England's issues in ODI are:
1.Root not making runs
2.They only have one opener who can do what roy and bairstow/hales did. Salt is decent but he's a lower average higher SR player
3.Middle order. Everyone is batting 1 slot too high and can't consistently replicate what Morgan's team did. Brook's a #5/6 in an ideal world, buttler should be batting 6, Livingstone should be batting 7. All these guys can be 50(65) and catch up occasionally, but none can do the peak root-morgan-stokes thing of milking the middle overs at a 40-50 average and a ~100SR.
4.Bowling sucks. Morgan had woakes who was one of the best new ball odi bowlers at the time, peak rash, peak joff, moeen keeping in tight with a ~5 economy and occasional wickets and plunkett. The current bowling line-up doesn't compare in any area.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Bajan Bethell should bat at #3

 

[grecian]

England's issues in ODI are:
1.Root not making runs
2.They only have one opener who can do what roy and bairstow/hales did. Salt is decent but he's a lower average higher SR player
3.Middle order. Everyone is batting 1 slot too high and can't consistently replicate what Morgan's team did. Brook's a #5/6 in an ideal world, buttler should be batting 6, Livingstone should be batting 7. All these guys can be 50(65) and catch up occasionally, but none can do the peak root-morgan-stokes thing of milking the middle overs at a 40-50 average and a ~100SR.
4.Bowling sucks. Morgan had woakes who was one of the best new ball odi bowlers at the time, peak rash, peak joff, moeen keeping in tight with a ~5 economy and occasional wickets and plunkett. The current bowling line-up doesn't compare in any area.

Nah we were never that good with the bowling under Morgan, just consistently had big scores to defend. Plunkers did a decent job, but Jove and Carse are doing that now.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Plunkett was garbage, absolute joke bowler

Few things more infuriating than seeing another one of his medium pace half trackers caught on the legside boundary

 

[Nintendo]

Plunkett was garbage, absolute joke bowler

Few things more infuriating than seeing another one of his medium pace half trackers caught on the legside boundary

He was a junk bowler but he was effective in the middle overs. England don't have anyone who can consistently average under 30 and keep the runs below 6 an over in the middle overs atm.

Rashid since the 2019 WC is going at the same econ plunkett was between 2015 and 19 and averaging 8 more runs per wicket. Rashid is England's best consistent middle overs threat atm. At the peak of Morgan they had plunkett + rashid and moeen keeping things fairly tight + more scoreboard pressure from a more consistent batting line-up.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

He was a junk bowler but he was effective in the middle overs. England don't have anyone who can consistently average under 30 and keep the runs below 6 an over in the middle overs atm.

I genuinely don't think I ever saw him bowl one genuinely good spell in his entire career

 

[Nintendo]

I genuinely don't think I ever saw him bowl one genuinely good spell in his entire career

I don't think I've seen my dad do one genuinely good thing in his life and he currently makes horse racing zoomer tiktok's for a living at 50 but he's still here.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Want us to bat first. Just want to see can they defend on flat track. Important before ct

 

[govinda indian fan]

Harshit rana looks good. Would have been great if mayank yadav was fit.**** nca

 

[Silly Point 2.0]

England batting first again. Try and bat out the overs and put a decent score on the board this time lads eh.

Probably more chance of Hull City winning a home game before May but we live in hope.

 

[Mr Crochet]

Overton is a useful player but at number 7 in ODI with only those six ahead of him makes for an imbalanced side

 

[Chin Music]

I am expecting a bit of Calypso collapse although it is only Salt in the team from the Barbados raised contingent today and even worse than that we are relying on Livingstone and Root to bowl ten second spinner overs.

 

[GIMH]

Switch on, Salt out. Bah

 

[Molehill]

Switch on, Salt out. Bah

Utterly brainless again, the situation just didn’t call for that shot. Nearly took Root with him.

 

[GIMH]

Terrible review and no idea why commentators got so excited

 

[grecian]

There's a person just drafted into this squad who might be a tad better than Salt....

 

[halba]

england will still find a way to mess this up completely.

Issues for india is mainly their pace bowling attack.

1. Shami. Hes not match fit yet. at his age- 34, it remains to be seen what kind of career he can have given the amount of injuries
2. Bumrah- hes injured- being kept for Tests i imagine. 5 test series v England. Hes extremely vital. Without him, they might as well not tour as the others are pretty average
3. Pandya- hes military medium pace. Good teams can hit that.