Viv Richards vs steve smith

[centurymaker]

Beware! It might be a tactical opinion shift.

Yeah it was. He's trying new ways, yet in the polls he again voted Smith each time.

 

[centurymaker]

Smith's getting a number of votes from his multis

 

[subshakerz]

This post itself puts Smith ahead of Viv.

The whole narrative around Viv's greatness is built on his ability to single handedly win games with his aggressive batting. And now you admit indirectly that without a great bowling attack Viv's influence would have not been as pronounced as it is today.

Which filters down the batting comparison to run scoring ability and Smith wins.

No, all I admitted is that bowlers are more naturally 'matchwinning' than batsmen.

However, relative to other bats who he was being compared with, Vivs playing style had more impact on matches. However, I rarely if ever call Viv a 'matchwinning' batsman since whatever the bats impact, it isn't as decisive as bowlers. That title is problematic.

This isn't particularly hard to understand, I'm sorry to say. You seem vested in finding the least credible interpretation of my statements.

 

[Coronis]

No, all I admitted is that bowlers are more naturally 'matchwinning' than batsmen.

However, relative to other bats who he was being compared with, Vivs playing style had more impact on matches. However, I rarely if ever call Viv a 'matchwinning' batsman since whatever the bats impact, it isn't as decisive as bowlers. That title is problematic.

This isn't particularly hard to understand, I'm sorry to say. You seem vested in finding the least credible interpretation of my statements.

So how is Viv a better matchwinner than Smith if Smith had a worse bowling attack, worse batting support, but has won a higher percentage of his matches?

 

[subshakerz]

So how is Viv a better matchwinner than Smith if Smith had a worse bowling attack, worse batting support, but has won a higher percentage of his matches?

I would have to look into it but I assume Smith is in a more results oriented era.

Again, I am not using the matchwinner label on bats.

 

[subshakerz]

All I am saying is that Vivs regular style of dominating play would have more match impact than Smiths. Not that he played sufficient 'matchwinning' innings and Smith did not.

 

[Coronis]

I would have to look into it but I assume Smith is in a more results oriented era.

Again, I am not using the matchwinner label on bats.

But you just said he had more of an impact on matches with style. But his teammates outperformed him in wins. And he was in such a strong team. Doesn’t make much sense

 

[Prince EWS]

But you just said he had more of an impact on matches with style. But his teammates outperformed him in wins. And he was in such a strong team. Doesn’t make much sense

Haha I wouldn't bother, in his following post he all but admits he has no actual evidence but just assumes it should be true because of vibes and is therefore happy to assert it anyway.

All I am saying is that Vivs regular style of dominating play would have more match impact than Smiths. Not that he played sufficient 'matchwinning' innings and Smith did not.

"He didn't actually contribute to more wins but he should have in theory because he was alpha with a large penis and reality won't change my mind."

 

[capt_Luffy]

All I am saying is that Vivs regular style of dominating play would have more match impact than Smiths. Not that he played sufficient 'matchwinning' innings and Smith did not.

What kind of ****ery is this ****!!!??? What do you even want to say here??

 

[subshakerz]

But you just said he had more of an impact on matches with style. But his teammates outperformed him in wins. And he was in such a strong team. Doesn’t make much sense

I didn't say 'with style'

And I never brought performance in wins.

 

[ankitj]

Root averages 65 in wins, nice.

Terrible. Downhill skier.

 

[ataraxia]

Root averages 65 in wins, nice.

KW averages 82.5 in wins.

 

[subshakerz]

What kind of ****ery is this ****!!!??? What do you even want to say here??

That 'matchwinning innings' like Lara's 153 or something is different from what I am talking about which is general style of play that impacts games. No need to freakout.

 

[capt_Luffy]

That 'matchwinning innings' like Lara's 153 or something is different from what I am talking about which is general style of play that impacts games. No need to freakout.

Last time I checked every style of play used to impact the game...... Even your Marsh and Harrises

 

[sayon basak]

Last time I checked every style of play used to impact the game...... Even your Marsh and Harrises

Arguing semantics is futile, remember?

 

[subshakerz]

Last time I checked every style of play used to impact the game...... Even your Marsh and Harrises

Um yes. Great we agree then.