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Jack Hobbs vs Viv Richards
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Thala_0710
State Vice-Captain
Tendulkar averaging close to 60 for the period of 1993-2011 is probably the closest thing to this, although it's still not a "statistical outlier". More so, a freakish display of prolonged greatness.
Johan
International Captain
simply put, I got Hammond in my top 10 batters of all time, a 45+ Hobbs after surgeries and multiple injuries and a world war was a better player of fast bowling. averaging 100+ against the West Indies who had a great attack and having 3 tons against them (including one 200) while Hammond wasn't able to combat them and especially Constantine. almost made runs against Larwood/Voce when he was playing internationals at 45.
like, I can genuinely not fathom anyone bar Don doing that.
like, I can genuinely not fathom anyone bar Don doing that.
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yes it gets him to no.2 in my books but still averaged 52 overall
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Are you talking first class?
Johan
International Captain
Yeah as the West Indians (Griffith/Constantine/Francis/Martindale etc) played Surrey sometimes too, Hobbs did make a ton against them in Internationals too.
Obviously, Larwood and Voce would have to be FC.
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Assuming you were just to judge him by his test career, would you put him no.2?
Johan
International Captain
right up there but Viv and Sachin get closer now as Hobbs doesn't have the feats of dismantling High pacers while 45+ anymore
sayon basak
International Captain
Could you provide the stats of Hobbs against pacers in that age?
Johan
International Captain
530 @ 106 in 7 innings with 3 tons against the West Indians, he'd be 45+ in his first encounter witn them
against Larwood/Voce/Staple/Barrett he struggled more but easily north of 40 while he was a test cricketer. he'd be 40 in his first encounter with them.
sayon basak
International Captain
@Coronis probably posted a bowler by bowler stats a while ago. It'd be great if he posted that again.
Coronis
International Coach
Not me.
L Trumper
State Regular
If it is just tests, then this isn't close.
Bradman >> Hobbs >> Everyone else
Prewar Hobbs is bradmanesque in dominance over his peers. Only Bradman and Hobbs had that over the past 125 years.
Postwar he is still arguably the best batter in the world for a decade in his late 30s to mid 40s.
Bradman >> Hobbs >> Everyone else
Prewar Hobbs is bradmanesque in dominance over his peers. Only Bradman and Hobbs had that over the past 125 years.
Postwar he is still arguably the best batter in the world for a decade in his late 30s to mid 40s.
govinda indian fan
International 12th Man
Nah 53.79
govinda indian fan
International 12th Man
How much did hobbs average in his peak
L Trumper
State Regular
In Ashes tests prewar Hobbs averaged around 55, rest were 40 and below.
sayon basak
International Captain
Here's some info's I found from @peterhrt and @Johan's posts.
Between his fortieth birthday in December 1922 and the end of the 1930 English season, when he last represented England aged 47, Hobbs scored 20,530 first-class runs at an average of 60.02, with 76 centuries. He had 378 innings.
In exactly one third of those innings,126, there was at least one fast bowler in the opposition. Chronological list as follows:
English: Arthur Gilligan (pre-injury while still fast), Gubby Allen, Larwood, Nichols, Voce, Bowes, Nobby Clark
West Indian: George Francis, Constantine, Herman Griffith
Australian: Tim Wall, Gregory, McDonald, John Scott (South Australia)
Between the ages of 40 and 47, Hobbs' record in first-class matches when these 14 bowlers opposed him was 6,552 runs, average 57.98, with 19 centuries.
He scored at least one century against all of them, apart from Bowes and Clark, against whom he only played four innings, passing fifty each time.
Hobbs was dismissed 113 times in these games, but only on 28 occasions by the quicks. Larwood got him seven times and McDonald five. Unlike other English batsmen, he rarely had much trouble with Gregory, either before or after his fortieth birthday.
The West Indian George Francis dismissed him cheaply the first three times they met, but Hobbs followed up with a couple of hundreds and a fifty. Gubby Allen had sixteen attempts to get him out and never succeeded, Hobbs averaging 87 with a highest score of 316*.
Some of Jack's performances against Larwood:-
Against Constantine and Griffith:-
Against Grimmett:-
L Trumper
State Regular
Hobbs in his 40s is still the best player of the 1920s, especially against pace bowling. This forum greatly underrates him, because of the era he played in, otherwise there is no one better since except Bradman.
If we bring ODIs into account (which we should since from mid 80s - mid 00s, they were seen as equivalent to tests), then Viv & Tendulkar are close to him. Otherwise no.
If we bring ODIs into account (which we should since from mid 80s - mid 00s, they were seen as equivalent to tests), then Viv & Tendulkar are close to him. Otherwise no.