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Which team would win

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subshakerz

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capt_Luffy said:
Exactly. Because Sachin and Sehwag especially have performed Great against Warne. There is basis for that. You could say Lara will smash Warne, but there's nothing backing the rest will do so as well.
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But Dravid is a proven bunny of Warne so it's not straightforward.

Stop treating it as wild speculation that great players of spin of the past wouldnt do well against Warne and Murali. There are list of great spin players in their own era who did well including Malik, Sidhu, Laxman, Anwar, KP, Thorpe, etc.

I repeat, the only times Murali and Warne are going to approach worldclass standards in these ATG XI games are on days 4 and 5 or on spinning wickets.
 
Johan

Johan

International Captain
Bradman basically makes this a 12 man team tbh

I'd also have Miller as third pacer due to his batting credentials too
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
subshakerz said:
But Dravid is a proven bunny of Warne so it's not straightforward.

Stop treating it as wild speculation that great players of spin of the past wouldnt do well against Warne and Murali. There are list of great spin players in their own era who did well including Malik, Sidhu, Laxman, Anwar, KP, Thorpe, etc.

I repeat, the only times Murali and Warne are going to approach worldclass standards in these ATG XI games are on days 4 and 5 or on spinning wickets.
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Calling Dravid a bunny of Warne is far fetched but he did got him more often than not.

Stop pretending Viv and Sobers are proven against anything as good as Warne and Murali. Warne got the number of a SL team only 2nd to India vs spin. Of Kallis, of Dravid.

I repeat, that's just your wild fan fic.
 
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subshakerz

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capt_Luffy said:
Calling Dravid a bunny of Warne is far fetched but he did got him more often than not.

Stop pretending Viv and Sobers are proven against anything as good as Warne and Murali. Warne got the number of a SL team only 2nd to India vs spin. Of Kallis, of Dravid.

I repeat, that's just your wild fan fic.
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Stop treating getting the best of Warne is only something Tendulkar or Lara did.
 
OverratedSanity

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subshakerz said:
Stop treating getting the best of Warne is only something Tendulkar or Lara did.
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They were the only two who thoroughly neutralized him, yes. And all the other ATG/near ATG batsmen of the era kinda struggled. Others like KP, Thorpe, Malik, VVS you mentioned all had some success but to imply they dominated him and Warne was helpless is wrong. There's batsmen who did well vs McGrath too, it means nothing.
 
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subshakerz

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OverratedSanity said:
Even VVS kinda got owned by Warne in the 04 series.
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That true. On balance he still has the edge over Warne given the epicness of 2001.

OverratedSanity said:
They were the only two who thoroughly neutralized him, yes. And all the other ATG/near ATG batsmen of the era kinda struggled. Others like KP, Thorpe, Malik, VVS you mentioned all had some success but to imply they dominated him and Warne was helpless is wrong. There's batsmen who did well vs McGrath too, it means nothing.
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I never said they dominated him (except Malik in 1994) but they did do well and on balance had the wood over him, which is what I expect Sobers and Viv to do.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

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Totally agree that some folks here seem to treat Warne and Murali as token ATGs just because a few batters dominated them, particularly from India.

Overall, Warne and Murali against almost every nation (excl India) were as big wicket takers as any ATG pacer in the history of the sport. In fact, they took twice as many wickets as your typical ATG pacer. 700-800 wickets compared to 300-400 wickets. So they were twice as useful to their sides over their careers than your typical ATG pacer with half the wickets. Half the sample size.

No other spinner in the history comes close to these two.
 
Johan

Johan

International Captain
centurymaker said:
Totally agree that some folks here seem to treat Warne and Murali as token ATGs just because a few batters dominated them, particularly from India.

Overall, Warne and Murali against almost every nation (excl India) were as big wicket takers as any ATG pacer in the history of the sport. In fact, they took twice as many wickets as your typical ATG pacer. 700-800 wickets compared to 300-400 wickets. So they were twice as useful to their sides over their careers than your typical ATG pacer with half the wickets. Half the sample size.

No other spinner in the history comes close to these two.
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O Reilly does
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

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centurymaker said:
Totally agree that some folks here seem to treat Warne and Murali as token ATGs just because a few batters dominated them, particularly from India.

Overall, Warne and Murali against almost every nation (excl India) were as big wicket takers as any ATG pacer in the history of the sport. In fact, they took twice as many wickets as your typical ATG pacer. 700-800 wickets compared to 300-400 wickets. So they were twice as useful to their sides over their careers than your typical ATG pacer with half the wickets. Half the sample size.

No other spinner in the history comes close to these two.
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Also worth mentioning, Murali did really well against India in SL as well
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Look at how many test he played (O'Reilly). 27 Tests.
144 wickets vs 800 wickets

Really?

Warne and Murali won 5-6 times more matches than O'Reilly ever did.
 
Johan

Johan

International Captain
O Reilly bowled to some extremely powerful batting lineup on some extremely flat wickets and was averaging 22, world war II stopped him but he's definitely about Warne level
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Johan said:
O Reilly bowled to some extremely powerful batting lineup on some extremely flat wickets and was averaging 22, world war II stopped him but he's definitely about Warne level
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6-7 year career vs 15 year career

According to this logic, Bumrah is the best fast bowler of all time already. Number of years doesn't matter. Don't have to prove yourself over time, outside of peak or against evolving batters, evolving techniques & tactics. Very nice
 
Johan

Johan

International Captain
centurymaker said:
6-7 year career vs 15 year career

According to this logic, Bumrah is the best fast bowler of all time already. Number of years doesn't matter. Don't have to prove yourself over time, outside of peak or against evolving batters, evolving techniques & tactics. Very nice
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You seem weirdly agitated about me suggesting O Reilly is in the Warne class, O Reilly can't do anything if the second world war interrupted his career, even during the second world war, his output in the Australian first class was extremely high, and sheffield pitches of this era were so flat that 60+ average was common


his technique wasn't exposed, he wasn't found out, he just had bad luck, on the other end luck shined on Warne and Murali, because no world war 2 and O Reilly is the GOAT spinner while the other two fight fot #2 spot, due to world war II he falls to number 3 but definitely much more in class of Warne and Murali than in the class of the #4 best spinner, whoever that may be.
 
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PlayerComparisons

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I think Warne and Murali had pretty high ceilings like the ATG pacers but had lower floors as well. Depends on which version of them you’re getting really.
 
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