Which team would win

[kyear2]

Warne is ATG for a reason. He troubled Great players regularly enough. I find it laughable to think with any confidence Viv or Sobers or Headley will dominate Warne. Lol. Australian bowling is just better.

And destroyed by great ones and less than great ones as well.

Think Warne is the greatest spinner ever, he's quite easily the most celebrated cricketer ever.

It was McGrath not him who was key to that dynasty and he was absolutely neutralized vs India and in the WI..

 

[kyear2]

@Johan I change my stance. The MO benefit without Don isn't enough for WI to win really over the Warne factor.

Now this is top-level trolling.

 

[kyear2]

Such damn negative selection policies.

Exactly the opposite.

The fast bowlers are selected to win.

If they run out of overs so be it, but not ceding a strength. Not on those wickets.

 

[kyear2]

well Warne averages more than Andy Roberts, I don't think he's too much of a factor but fair.

The idiocy is crazy. Warne was pretty much neutralized by great batsmen and great players of spin.

Hoping for impact on day 4 or 5 when the game is already decided isn't it. And again, that's hoping for impact.

I would back even Lloyd to handle Warne capably...

Warne's advantage over other spinners is that he had Pigeon to take care of the top order for him. That's almost a big an advantage as Murali's home pitches.

 

[kyear2]

I think bigger than the others.

Based on what?

 

[OverratedSanity]

The idiocy is crazy. Warne was pretty much neutralized by great batsmen and great players of spin.

Hoping for impact on day 4 or 5 when the game is already decided isn't it. And again, that's hoping for impact.

I would back even Lloyd to handle Warne capably...

Warne's advantage over other spinners is that he had Pigeon to take care of the top order for him. That's almost a big an advantage as Murali's home pitches.

Warne was neutralized by India mostly. Not all great batsmen. He had the wood on many of them and great records vs some great batting lineups too.

 

[kyear2]

I'd agree that's probably the majority perception, recently Sobers beat Viv like an unwanted stepchild in a poll.

Yeah, think Viv was the better bat than any modern batsman with the possibly exception of Sachin. Garry right there and just ahead of Smith, Lara, Hutton.

 

[kyear2]

Warne was neutralized by India mostly. Not all great batsmen. He had the wood on many of them and great records vs some great batting lineups too.

That were at sea to spin. Like SA for instance.

None of these batsmen have that deficiency to spin. And especially not on the pitches that were referenced.

 

[sayon basak]

The idiocy is crazy. Warne was pretty much neutralized by great batsmen and great players of spin.

And destroyed by great ones and less than great ones as well.
Think Warne is the greatest spinner ever, he's quite easily the most overjoyed cricketer ever.
It was McGrath not him who was key to that dynasty and he was absolutely neutralized vs India and in the WI..

Considering you have Warne in your ATG XI, do you have him only to bowl many overs? I'd say Muralitharan would be better than Warne at bowling over after over.

 

[OverratedSanity]

That were at sea to spin. Like SA for instance.

None of these batsmen have that deficiency to spin. And especially not on the pitches that were referenced.

The SA batsmen he faced were not "at sea" against spin, what on earth are you talking about. They were an extremely successful team on the subcontinent because they had many solid batsmen vs spin and Warne still thoroughly had a psychological hold on them. He also ate Pakistan and Sri Lankan lineups for lunch plenty of times and they had many great batsmen of spin.

 

[OverratedSanity]

The idiocy is crazy. Warne was pretty much neutralized by great batsmen and great players of spin.

*Claim something is idiocy*. *Immediately say something idiotic in the next sentence*.

Amazing scenes holy ****.

 

[govinda indian fan]

The SA batsmen he faced were not "at sea" against spin, what on earth are you talking about. They were an extremely successful team on the subcontinent because they had many solid batsmen vs spin and Warne still thoroughly had a psychological hold on them. He also ate Pakistan and Sri Lankan lineups for lunch plenty of times and they had many great batsmen of spin.

Only great batsmen to have fair hold over warne were sachin and lara. Everyone else struggled

 

[kyear2]

Considering you have Warne in your ATG XI, do you have him only to bowl many overs? I'd say Muralitharan would be better than Warne at bowling over after over.

I prefer leg spin, think it's more effective on more surfaces, and Warne spent more of his career in less than helpful conditions than Murali.

And they both have the same holes.

And with players this close, the extra batting and catching comes into play. Though Warne doesn't make my cordon, he slots in at gully.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Yeah, think Viv was the better bat than any modern batsman with the possibly exception of Sachin. Garry right there and just ahead of Smith, Lara, Hutton.

Viv was not just destructive but also super consistent. He was mix of Lara's abilty with sachin consistency

 

[kyear2]

*Claim something is idiocy*. *Immediately say something idiotic in the next sentence*.

Amazing scenes holy ****.

You're the master of that.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Imo on perth windes would win close match while leeds and Kolkata go to Aussies. Most interesting would be joburg

 

[OverratedSanity]

Only great batsmen to have fair hold over warne were sachin and lara. Everyone else struggled

This is exactly right. Warne had a lot of success vs Kallis, Sanga, Dravid, Mahela, Younis, Inzi.... all very good to incredible players of spin. But because Lara and Sachin dominated him, suddenly he's some noob who got neutralized by all great players.

Such easily disprovable nonsense.

 

[OverratedSanity]

You're the master of that.

You may be right on that and yet you're still hopelessly wrong that Warne struggled vs great batsmen. The idea that Viv, Sobers, etc would have easily handled Warne is a fantasy you've built in your head. We just can't know.

 

[govinda indian fan]

You may be right on that and yet you're still hopelessly wrong that Warne struggled vs great batsmen. The idea that Viv, Sobers, etc would have easily handled Warne is a fantasy you've built in your head. We just can't know.

Sobers would. He handled great leg spinners like gupte, chandra and underwood and so can viv

 

[govinda indian fan]

I do know Lyon has a higher win % than Marshall

Also Australian pacers are almost as good as WI ones. No way the gap is anything significant.

In which way aus pacers are better then wi attack. Only mcgarth is successful all over world. Lillee and miller would struggle in Kolkata and Bridgetown