England Lions Tour of Australia and England U19 Tour of South Africa

[mackembhoy]

He's had a long and proud career but he's getting a bit long in the tooth at this stage.

Might be time to start over with some youth and pick Farhan instead.

He has 25 FC wickets. Rehan had 12 and Bashir 10 when they got picked for England.

So he's already more experienced than they were and he's not 17 yet

I already had the thought that if he has an amazing full season for Notts. Will their not be calls for him to go on tour at the very least.

 

[Molehill]

He has 25 FC wickets. Rehan had 12 and Bashir 10 when they got picked for England.

So he's already more experienced than they were and he's not 17 yet

I already had the thought that if he has an amazing full season for Notts. Will their not be calls for him to go on tour at the very least.

Unlike Bashir, he can hold a bat too.

 

[Hungry Llama]

Lions have a lower order of Tongue at 7, Bash, Baker, Cook, Penny. All those bowlers and only 3 wkts.

 

[mackembhoy]

Good to see McKinney doing well in the second dig.

Shocking first innings that they've already equalled the score in the second

Pretty moronic selection by Freddie to pick 5 number 11s with a 16 year old at 6!

 

[Qlder]

Pretty moronic selection by Freddie to pick 5 number 11s with a 16 year old at 6!

Hey that 16 year old was only 4 runs short of the highest innings score

 

[Molehill]

These are just not well matched teams. It's a decent Aussie line up with a lot of experience in there. England essentially have an U19's batting line up with Alex Davies (who is nowhere near any kind of England team). It's a half decent bowling squad, but none of them can bat (Bashir at 8 FFS).

I presume discussions are had with the opposition in advance as to what kind of teams they're going to play for these games, England just don't seem to have turned up with the right XI.

 

[Qlder]

These are just not well matched teams. It's a decent Aussie line up with a lot of experience in there. England essentially have an U19's batting line up with Alex Davies (who is nowhere near any kind of England team). It's a half decent bowling squad, but none of them can bat (Bashir at 8 FFS).

I presume discussions are had with the opposition in advance as to what kind of teams they're going to play for these games, England just don't seem to have turned up with the right XI.

What a load of rubbish thinking teams conspired together to pick bowler heavy line-ups. Also Aus A scored their runs against 2 Test bowlers in Tongue and Bashir and an almost Test bowler in Sam Cook. Guy has over 300 wkts at 19 in FC cricket ffs

Jack Edwards was supposed to be captain and batting 6 but was a late withdrawal so Australia had to play an extra bowler to make an unbalanced side (Edwards was already batting too high at 6 anyway)

 

[mackembhoy]

These are just not well matched teams. It's a decent Aussie line up with a lot of experience in there. England essentially have an U19's batting line up with Alex Davies (who is nowhere near any kind of England team). It's a half decent bowling squad, but none of them can bat (Bashir at 8 FFS).

I presume discussions are had with the opposition in advance as to what kind of teams they're going to play for these games, England just don't seem to have turned up with the right XI.

Which batsman would you have picked that they haven't?

I think the Davies pick as pointless as most of the other names at the top of the run charts they might have picked. Another who just won't play for England. He's been picked as the experienced head/reward for his runs more than likelihood of England honours

McKinney already been earmarked as the next man off the rank to open for England.

McCann started really well as a number 3 averaging 51 so far in a problem position for England. Nobody in England doing decent numbers at 3 in the CC.

Coles a player you will know a lot better than me. Clarke probably better option at 4 from the CC, but his name still somewhat tarnished.

Hurst impressed me against Durham twin half centuries. We've got a plethora of WK batsman that they could have picked. So they've had a look at another option as Rew already played and not done well. Robinson and Cox already looked at and playing T20 league or injured.

Flintoff definitely lucky to be on the tour in the first place as he's 16 and not shown anything yet for Lancs. But vindicated with a century coming in at 9 already on the tour.

Terrible balance to the side with 5 number 11s. Albeit think all the seamers are useless with the bat on tour.

 

[Molehill]

What a load of rubbish thinking teams conspired together to pick bowler heavy line-ups. Also Aus A scored their runs against 2 Test bowlers in Tongue and Bashir and an almost Test bowler in Sam Cook. Guy has over 300 wkts at 19 in FC cricket ffs

Jack Edwards was supposed to be captain and batting 6 but was a late withdrawal so Australia had to play an extra bowler to make an unbalanced side (Edwards was already batting too high at 6 anyway)

Not saying that at all. I think the Aussies have picked a good side and would have had a decent balance. England have a ridiculous batting line up and the first innings is largely what you'd expect from it.

Which batsman would you have picked that they haven't?

I think the Davies pick as pointless as most of the other names at the top of the run charts they might have picked. Another who just won't play for England. He's been picked as the experienced head/reward for his runs more than likelihood of England honours

McKinney already been earmarked as the next man off the rank to open for England.

McCann started really well as a number 3 averaging 51 so far in a problem position for England. Nobody in England doing decent numbers at 3 in the CC.

Coles a player you will know a lot better than me. Clarke probably better option at 4 from the CC, but his name still somewhat tarnished.

Hurst impressed me against Durham twin half centuries. We've got a plethora of WK batsman that they could have picked. So they've had a look at another option as Rew already played and not done well. Robinson and Cox already looked at and playing T20 league or injured.

Flintoff definitely lucky to be on the tour in the first place as he's 16 and not shown anything yet for Lancs. But vindicated with a century coming in at 9 already on the tour.

Terrible balance to the side with 5 number 11s. Albeit think all the seamers are useless with the bat on tour.

For me, they've just gone too far down the age ranks to find batsmen for this series. Robinson and Bohannon for example with a couple of youngsters would've made a more logical batting combo.

 

[kevinw]

Not saying that at all. I think the Aussies have picked a good side and would have had a decent balance. England have a ridiculous batting line up and the first innings is largely what you'd expect from it.



For me, they've just gone too far down the age ranks to find batsmen for this series. Robinson and Bohannon for example with a couple of youngsters would've made a more logical batting combo.

Tom Haines at Sussex.

 

[Jarquis]

I hadn't really thought of that, but they'd then have to come up with some definition for how close too close was.

They already have in lots of different places. Within 7m of the bat unless behind square on the offside.

 

[mackembhoy]

England lose by an innings and 10 runs.

But on the plus side a run a ball 110 by Ben McKinney for his second FC century.

Big season ahead for him as I think he can get himself on the plane as a reserve batsman for the Ashes if he continues his trajectory. He's like a left handed Crawley at the crease in his build and strongest shots.

 

[Prince EWS]

They already have in lots of different places. Within 7m of the bat unless behind square on the offside.

It someone gets hit 8m away will they sue then?

At least now if you don't wear one it's just your decision, and you can't argue it would have cost you catches.

I still hate it no matter what, but I can see the legal risk mitigation logic.

 

[Molehill]

Second U19's Test has started (didn't realise there were 2). SA were all out for 224 on Day 1 (a recovery from 74-5), wickets were shared around with Eddie Jack getting 3 (seamers have been rotated in this game).

Eng 18-0 in response.

 

[kevinw]

Farhan was very parsimonious even if he only took the one wicket. I could easily believe he's a better bowler than Bashir already.

 

[mackembhoy]

Farhan was very parsimonious even if he only took the one wicket. I could easily believe he's a better bowler than Bashir already.

Rehan was picked after 12 FC wickets and Bashir 10. Farhan has 25 FC wickets.

The quality of scalps and where they were taken a factor for me too.

Farhan 3 Sri Lankan test players on his FC debut at Worcester and 10fer at Trent Bridge against the County Champions.

Both harder places for spin to do well. He's also taken a wicket in all 7 FC innings he's bowled.

Already looked at Rehan 12 wickets in the past and he took nobody of any note all in Division 2.

Bashir 8/10 came at Taunton a far more helpful pitch for spinners and 6 all came in one game. Took 1 at Southampton and 1 at Chelmsford too

SOM vs HANTS Cricket Scorecard at Taunton, July 10 - 13, 2023

 

[Molehill]

Farhan was very parsimonious even if he only took the one wicket. I could easily believe he's a better bowler than Bashir already.

S African spinners knocking up similar figures, it's proving difficult to score off them. England have just reached parity but with 8 wickets down. Sawant is 68 no but has taken 200 balls to get there. Fonseka looked the best of the batsmen but ran himself out.

 

[Molehill]

England have now made it to 300-8 with the 9th wicket stand at 87. Sawant reached a ton off 260 balls, a painstaking knock but one where I don't think he's ever looked like getting out. Being ably assisted by Yorkshire seamer Wade.

 

[Molehill]

Another freakish dismissal and perhaps the only way Sawant was going to be dismissed. Run out at the non striker's end as the bowler drops a caught and bowled that was heading nearer to mid off, deflects through his legs and back onto the stumps. Out for 130, a superb knock in the end and he put his foot down this morning with some lovely shots.

England now in a strong position at 342-9.

 

[mackembhoy]

Class seeing so many young English lads of South Asian heritage doing well for England at all levels at the moment

Shoaib Bashir, Ahmed brothers, Hamza Shaikh, Tazeem Chaudry Ali and now Keshana Fonseka/Aaryan Sawant.

Then some not as young in Zaman Ahkter and Ajeet Singh Dale. Plus Saqib Mahmood looking fit and good again a real positive too.

Long been an issue their hasn't been enough representation from a section of society that surely has plenty of talent.

But for various reasons haven't been breaking through in much numbers

I know Kashif Ali at Worcs, was the in the recent past the first to get a pro county deal via the South Asian Cricket academy.