Who is the best since Bradman?

[honestbharani]

Lara is better than both but for this head to head, its Sachin.

 

[kyear2]

"iF u TaKe OuT tHe HuNdReDz"

Yes, let's start taking things out, why don't we...starting from the year 1976 from Viv. Oh look at that...

Never said take out anything.

But I see you guys are having a ball, so carry on.

But none of that takes away from Sunny being seen as a fair weather merchant. But cash in he could.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ah yes, one of the easiest innings in a road, on an absolute fairweather day:

 

[kyear2]

Apart from Barry Richards' superlative abilities as an opening batsman, I believe there are two obvious Freudian reasons for why @kyear2 is enamoured by him: firstly, Barry shares the same surname as Viv, and secondly, he played for the same county as Marshall. kyear2's subconscious sees Barry Richards as some sort of ideal amalgam of Viv and Maco (the ultimate attacking batsman and the ultimate attacking bowler) merged together into the one human. In the deepest, darkest recesses of kyear2's fertile imagination, he doesn't see Barry as having played just four Tests but rather, 121 + 81 = 202 Tests which is 2 more than Sachin, making Barry the most capped cricketer in history so more than proven.

You know, if I were literally the only person who rated Barry highly or saw him as a top tier batsman this would faze me.

But I see today the circus is in town.

 

[Coronis]

You know, if I were literally the only person who rated Barry highly or saw him as a top tier batsman this would faze me.

But I see today the circus is in town.

Does anything?

 

[kyear2]

Does anything?

Not particularly

As per the criticism referenced in the last 2 pages...

Sachin, very arguably the 3rd best batsman ever, I just just think that he's that far ahead of the next few guys behind him. Even when he played it was touch and go vs Lara, and I rate Viv and Smith above Lara. Yes he gets points for longevity, but anywhere approaching 18 to 20 years is more than good enough. What I find ridiculous is how Subz piles onto to Lara for his Pak and SA record while Sachin's isn't exactly stellar either.

For Sunny there's no doubt that he's an ATG, but definitely not in the conversation or tier for best after Bradman. He wasn't the best bat of his era, in either decade, and it can be argued he wasn't ever no 2 either. He did stat pad vs '71 WI and during the WSC years, and there's been a lot of revisionist history of late where he is seen to be close to Viv. At no point in his career was that the case. It certainly wasn't in the 70's and he and Greenidge were basically on par in the 80's.

Re Barry, the chorus can sing as kindly as they desire, he was an ATG and yes, for the first half of the 70's the best batsman in the world. Even in the late 70's when Packer was looking for the best players and brought in guys from all over the world, it was guys like Imran and Barry he brought in.

He's been called the best batsmen ever witnessed by players, umpires and pundits alike and interns of talent and play he's comparable to Tendulkar, Richards, Lara, Smith and Sobers. I've never used his test record to prove his greatness, it's how he played the best bowlers in the world when he faced them. His performances vs touring test teams, his record vs Lillee, Thompson, Snow, Procter etc..., his head to head vs Greenidge and testimonials vs all who saw him.

When he played in the same era as Sunny, no one thought Sunny his superior, why does that change now?

So no, the silly and petty quibbles and jabs doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Some of the unintelligible statements about Sobers not being far from Bradman as a batsman etc is deliberately taken out of context and just idiotic, so it bothers me not. The trolls will troll.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I am worried about the length of the post if it actually bothered him.....

 

[Migara]

Sobers
Sangakkara (as a pure bat)
Barrington
Smith
Tendulkar
Lara
Sangakkara (whole career)

 

[Coronis]

Bradman ~ Sobers
Richards
Richards
Sangakkara (as a pure bat)
Barrington
Smith
Tendulkar
Lara
Sangakkara (whole career)

ftfy and @kyear2

 

[MasterBlaster24]

 

[subshakerz]

Was just about to post this. Kimber makes the case what we am have been saying. You cant get past Tendulkar's longevity.

But perhaps Smith has a case over some others like Lara, Hutton etc.

 

[Thala_0710]

Was just about to post this. Kimber makes the case what we am have been saying. You cant get past Tendulkar's longevity.

But perhaps Smith has a case over some others like Lara, Hutton etc.

Yeah, the longevity of greatness is just unparalleled. Although he goes a bit too far saying that there could be a conversation between him and the Don, for me, the more I look and think about it, he's a clear no 2

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah, the longevity of greatness is just unparalleled. Although he goes a bit too far saying that there could be a conversation between him and the Don, for me, the more I look and think about it, he's a clear no 2

What about Hobbs??

 

[sayon basak]

What about Hobbs??

He's a clear no. 2.5 imo.

 

[Johan]

Hobbs is number 2 considering he not only played 22 years, but it took a life threatening operation, him being 40+, years of War and so much just to make him fall to the level of Hammond.

 

[Johan]

for #3, you can make an argument for Sobers, Viv and Sachin tbh, all three would've an equally fair argument

 

[sayon basak]

for #3, you can make an argument for Sobers, Viv and Sachin tbh, all three would've an equally fair argument

Longevity of Sachin outshines the other two imo.

 

[Johan]

Longevity of Sachin outshines the other two imo.

Sobers played 20 years to Sachin's 24, but the argument for Sachin over Sobers is the level of competition faced, the argument for Sobers is the sheer domination and talent, for Viv it would be his record against great pacers and the fact he has almost no weak teams to score against.

 

[Johan]

but yeah, the discussion to me is very much after Hobbs, Bradman is out of the equation.

 

[Johan]

@sayon basak btw didn't you vote Trumper over Ponting?