Malcolm Marshall vs Gary Sobers

[DrWolverine]

Marshall’s bowling vs Sobers’ batting

 

[Johan]

Hobbs vs Marshall would be better.

 

[DrWolverine]

Hobbs vs Marshall would be better.

I do not think any batsman except the Don was ahead of his peers like Jack Hobbs was before the first war.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I do not think any batsman except the Don was ahead of his peers like Jack Hobbs was before the first war.

Grace

 

[Johan]

I do not think any batsman except the Don was ahead of his peers like Jack Hobbs was before the first war.

it took multiple illnesses, a surgery and him to be near 40 for him to drop to the level of Hammond and Sutcliffe, which is absolutely insane. IIRC Bradman (who saw an old Hobbs, all the way to Sachin) considered Hobbs the technically finest player.

 

[DrWolverine]

it took multiple illnesses, a surgery and him to be near 40 for him to drop to the level of Hammond and Sutcliffe, which is absolutely insane. IIRC Bradman (who saw an old Hobbs, all the way to Sachin) considered Hobbs the technically finest player.

I did not know this.

 

[subshakerz]

Sobers batting. You can nitpick about NZ all you like.

If we ignore his teen years, he basically has a near 13 year period averaging well over 60. That's such a period of outright dominance it just outstrips Marshall.

And he was more rated and celebrated as a bat than Marshall as a bowler frankly.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sobers batting. You can nitpick about NZ all you like.

If we ignore his teen years, he basically has a near 13 year period averaging well over 60. That's such a period of outright dominance it just outstrips Marshall.

And he was more rated and celebrated as a bat than Marshall as a bowler frankly.

So you basically think all the top tier bats are better than the top tier bowlers; in general??

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Sobers batting. You can nitpick about NZ all you like.

If we ignore his teen years, he basically has a near 13 year period averaging well over 60. That's such a period of outright dominance it just outstrips Marshall.

And he was more rated and celebrated as a bat than Marshall as a bowler frankly.

Sobers has a 14 year period averaging 66.49 iirc. Pretty insane.

 

[subshakerz]

So you basically think all the top tier bats are better than the top tier bowlers; in general??

Yeah. Because reaching that level to me is more difficult with so much batting competition. So Tendulkar, Hobbs, Sobers and Viv are ahead of Marshall, McGrath and Hadlee who are ahead of Lara, Hutton and Smith.

I used to be bowler first because of team value but I realise that is inherently biased.

 

[subshakerz]

Sobers has a 14 year period averaging 66.49 iirc. Pretty insane.

If he played modern level of tests, it would be somehwere along 120 to 130 or so tests in that period with that kind of output.

Smith had a peak that was only six years by comparison.

 

[sayon basak]

Grace

He was even ahead of Bradman in that regard tbf.

 

[capt_Luffy]

He was even ahead of Bradman in that regard tbf.

For a much smaller window though, compared to his whole career length. Grace was miles ahead for 15 years, for the rest he was just among the best of his time. Other have at times, especially Shrewsbury, surpassed Grace while both played (not even talking of the 1890s, by when he was in his late 40s/early 50s)

 

[DrWolverine]

Viv’s “failure” in NZ can be excused. He played one series(3 Tests & 4 innings).

Gary Sobers has a dismal record against NZ.
12 Tests.
18 innings.
404 runs.
Avg of 23.
1 century and zero fifty.

Sobers record in NZ is even more pathetic.
7 Tests.
10 innings.
151 runs.
Avg of 15.
0 fifties or centuries.

1st tour.
4 Tests.
5 innings.
81 runs.
Avg of 16.

2nd tour
3 Tests.
5 innings.
70 runs.
Avg of 14.

 

[Thala_0710]

Marshall's bowling just.
On primary skill I go:
Sachin>Hobbs>Marshall>Mcgrath>Sobers and then the rest of Lara, Viv, Hadlee etc

 

[DrWolverine]

In terms of overall numbers, Malcolm Marshall has a far superior and more complete record.

Marshall’s average
vs Eng : 19.18 in 26 Tests
vs Pak : 20.70 in 12 Tests
vs NZ : 21.53 in 7 Tests
vs Ind : 21.99 in 17 Tests
vs Aus : 22.52 in 18 Tests

Sobers’ average
vs NZ : 23.7 in 12 Tests
vs Aus : 43.1 in 19 Tests
vs Eng : 60.6 in 36 Tests
vs Ind : 83.4 in 18 Tests
vs Pak : 89.4 in 8 Tests

 

[akilana]

Sobers batting. You can nitpick about NZ all you like.

If we ignore his teen years, he basically has a near 13 year period averaging well over 60. That's such a period of outright dominance it just outstrips Marshall.

And he was more rated and celebrated as a bat than Marshall as a bowler frankly.

there's another batsman that for a 13 years period averaged over 60

 

[subshakerz]

there's another batsman that for a 13 years period averaged over 60

Yes I know. Too bad he batted like a dead weight. Sobers didn't have that issue.

 

[akilana]

Sobers has a 14 year period averaging 66.49 iirc. Pretty insane.

second best batsman ever.

 

[akilana]

Yes I know. Too bad he batted like a dead weight. Sobers didn't have that issue.

just like sachin and dravid while being better than them.