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Who is the best since Bradman?

Who is Best since Bradman

  • Steve Smith

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • Sachin Tendulkar

    Votes: 21 75.0%

  • Total voters
    28

kyear2

International Coach
Arguments against Sachin
1. No monster peak(compared to Smith or Viv)
2. No monster series

I do not think both these things are a big deal and considering his longevity he is the best since Don
A counter to this.

Monster series is what wins said series.

While I think that Sachin might have the slightest of advantages, I do believe that Viv has a good an argument to be seen as the best since Bradman.

Consistency is brought up for Tendulkar, but he always had easier home pitches, and his 90's record is greatly aided by minnows.

The 2000's were also a dead era that a poster today was attempting to kill Lara for, taking advantage of.

Viv never played minnows, and never had a dead era to take advantage of. He's also very arguably the greatest player of fast bowling, ever, and at his peak I'm not taking anyone over him.

He did things that no one else could. Sachin did it longer.

That's not a run away in my book.
 

DrWolverine

International Debutant
A counter to this.

Monster series is what wins said series.

While I think that Sachin might have the slightest of advantages, I do believe that Viv has a good an argument to be seen as the best since Bradman.

Consistency is brought up for Tendulkar, but he always had easier home pitches, and his 90's record is greatly aided by minnows.

The 2000's were also a dead era that a poster today was attempting to kill Lara for, taking advantage of.

Viv never played minnows, and never had a dead era to take advantage of. He's also very arguably the greatest player of fast bowling, ever, and at his peak I'm not taking anyone over him.

He did things that no one else could. Sachin did it longer.

That's not a run away in my book.
What’s your argument against Viv? Just curious to know.
 

DrWolverine

International Debutant
While it’s true Sachin never scored 500+ runs in a series, he never had the opportunity to play a 5 Test series as many as times as Viv.

Number of times playing a 5 Test series
Viv : 12
Sachin : 3


Number of times playing a 6 Test series
Viv : 2
Sachin : 0


Sachin would have surely passed 500+ runs in a series multiple times but India rarely played a 5 Test series.
1995 : 402 runs in 3 Tests vs WI
1996 : 428 runs in 3 Tests(5 inn) vs Eng
1998 : 446 runs in 3 Tests vs Aus
1999 : 435 runs in 3 Tests vs NZ
2000 : 362 runs in 2 Tests vs Zim
2002 : 402 runs in 4 Tests(6 inn) vs Eng
2008 : 493 runs in 4 Tests vs Aus
2010 : 403 runs in 2 Tests vs Aus
 

DrWolverine

International Debutant
Viv played a 5 or 6 Test series 14 times.

He scored 500+ runs twice. Both happened in 1976.

Yes he missed out due to playing the Kerry Packer tournament.

But throughout the 1980s he scored 400+ runs only in one other series(1988) despite playing numerous 5 Test series.

I agree Sachin may never replicate that 800+ runs Viv scored in a 6 Test series but if he got this many opportunities as Viv did he would have surely had a few 500 or even 1-2 600+ runs in a series.
 

kyear2

International Coach
Well I'd argue he faced better ones than Smith, but regardless, the greatest attack he could face was the absurdly strong Australia one, Miller/Lindwall/Johnson in 40s and Miller/Lindwall/Johnston/Johnston in 50s, I'd argue latter is one of the greatest attacks of all time due to the sheer variety and quality and Hutton averaged 88 against them in a very bowler friendly series and then scored against them in England too.

slaughtered WI spinners, easily cracked O Reilly at his early 20s, also cracked the Windies pacers that Hammond never could crack, it's true someone like Gavaskar faced more great bowlers but I'd argue Hutton got less stat padding opportunities than Sachin/Sunny/Lara which balances it out for me.

full respect for me, zero statpadding and faced greats all over the world, only maybe not facing his own attack leaves a sour taste in the mouth but not his fault.
Yeah, Hutton faced some strong attacks and live pitches.

Definitely deserves a place in that top
tier of (for me) 8. Though I do have him 8th.

I just want to know how Sunny keeps getting pushed into these conversations.
 

kyear2

International Coach
Scoring centuries against great pacer(100+ wickets and average less than 25)

Hutton
1. 1947 - Miller & Lindwall
2. 1951 - Miller & Lindwall
3. 1953 - Lindwall, Miller & Davidson


Sunil Gavaskar
1. 1976 - Andy Roberts & Michael Holding
2. 1976 - Michael Holding
3. 1976 - Richard Hadlee(young)
4. 1978 - Imran Khan
5. 1978 - Imran Khan
6. 1980 - Imran Khan
7. 1983 - Imran Khan
8. 1983 - Roberts, Holding, Marshall & Garner
9. 1983 - Marshall & Holding
10. 1983 - Marshall & Holding

Sachin Tendulkar
1. 1992 - Donald
2. 1994 - Courtney Walsh
3. 1997 - Donald & Pollock
4. 1999 - Glen McGrath
5. 1999 - Akram & Waqar
6. 2001 - Glen McGrath
7. 2001 - Shaun Pollock
8. 2004 - Shoaib Akhtar
9. 2010 - Dale Steyn
10. 2010 - Dale Steyn
11. 2010 - Dale Steyn

Brian Lara
1. 1997 - McGrath
2. 1999 - McGrath
3. 1999 - McGrath
4. 1999 - McGrath
5. 2000 - McGrath
6. 2003 - Pollock
7. 2003 - Pollock
8. 2005 - McGrath

To say Hutton did not statpad unlike Gavaskar, Sachin or Lara is a joke.

Hutton never faced bowlers of the calibre of Gavaskar, Richards, Sachin or Lara.
1. No one star padded like Sunny, that's just facts.

His best years was '71 and the WSC years.

There's a reason why Sunny was called a fair weather batsman, he would struggle in quick conditions and cash in at home or flat conditions abroad.
 

DrWolverine

International Debutant
No one star padded like Sunny
That’s true

Look at how many centuries he stat padded against useless bowlers


Sunil Gavaskar
1. 1976 - Andy Roberts & Michael Holding
2. 1976 - Michael Holding
3. 1976 - Richard Hadlee(young)
4. 1978 - Imran Khan
5. 1978 - Imran Khan
6. 1980 - Imran Khan
7. 1983 - Imran Khan
8. 1983 - Roberts, Holding, Marshall & Garner
9. 1983 - Marshall & Holding
10. 1983 - Marshall & Holding

Also:
1. 1974 - Bob Willis
2. 1977 - Bob Willis
3. 1977 - Jeff Thomson
4. 1977 - Jeff Thomson
5. 1977 - Jeff Thomson
6. 1979 - Bob Willis & Ian Botham
7. 1981 - Ian Botham
8. 1985 - Craig McDermott
 
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Van_Sri

U19 Debutant
Saeed Anwar 🇵🇰
v India1989-200350482200219443.52221090.5848221634
Sachin Tendulkar 🇮🇳
v Pakistan1989-201269674252614140.09288787.49516529429
Anwar Scored 41.71 Runs Per Innings vs India 🇮🇳 and Sachin Scored 37.70 Runs Per Innings vs Pakistan 🇵🇰. Saeed Anwar was the ODI GOAT vs India 🇮🇳. Sachin from 1989-2003 scored 1433 Runs in 42 Innings @34.12 Runs Per Innings. Brian Lara 🏝 from 1989-2003 scored 1418 Runs in 39 Innings @36.36 Runs Per Innings vs Pakistan 🇵🇰
 
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kyear2

International Coach
That’s true

Look at how many centuries he stat padded against useless bowlers


Sunil Gavaskar
1. 1976 - Andy Roberts & Michael Holding
2. 1976 - Michael Holding
3. 1976 - Richard Hadlee(young)
4. 1978 - Imran Khan
5. 1978 - Imran Khan
6. 1980 - Imran Khan
7. 1983 - Imran Khan
8. 1983 - Roberts, Holding, Marshall & Garner
9. 1983 - Marshall & Holding
10. 1983 - Marshall & Holding

Also:
1. 1974 - Bob Willis
2. 1977 - Bob Willis
3. 1977 - Jeff Thomson
4. 1977 - Jeff Thomson
5. 1977 - Jeff Thomson
6. 1979 - Bob Willis & Ian Botham
7. 1981 - Ian Botham
8. 1985 - Craig Mc
I said what I said and also referenced the speed of pitches he was successful on.

It's also very instructional to look at some of his scores between those hundreds. Quite a bit of these series were quite lean apart from those scores.

No one's saying he wasn't an ATG, but this revisionist history that didn't exist when he played is a bit well, overplayed.

He was called a fair weather batsman for a reason.
 

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