Narayana
U19 Debutant
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Bumrah and Waqar are not comparable,
Waqar averages 31.xyz vs top 4 away.
Bumrah averages 20 lol
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Jasprit Bumrah vs Waqar Younis
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Bumrah and Waqar are not comparable,
Waqar averages 31.xyz vs top 4 away.
Bumrah averages 20 lol
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Narayana
U19 Debutant
I think Waqar is not a great blower,
Shami is comparable to Waqar, i guess.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
I think you are pushing it a bit too far now.
Narayana
U19 Debutant
Do you think Waqar is comparable to bumrah?
Rob Wesley
School Boy/Girl Captain
Waqar was a bit of weak team basher. But otherwise, he did really well vs Windies. He was unlucky to not play SA at his prime. He faced them from 1997 onwards. His record would have been better.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Yes. Had an excellent peak himself and post peak was a Very Good pacer still.
Really? He wasn't that great against good teams even in his prime.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Not really. Had one alright tour of Australia, but dominated a Great WI line-up. He did played relatively quite weaker teams much more often than say Bumrah though in his prime, for the better or worse.
There were 7 non-minnow teams during Waqar's prime.
Waqar versus peers when Waqar was at his mythical peak in tests involving top 6 teams:
Waqar after his mythical peak against non-minnows: 40-50 tests with 1 5-fers.
Why will anyone even cite longevity with 1 5-fers with 40-50 tests. That lonegevity is useless. I can't even come up with 2nd example of a bowler playing 40-50 tests with only 1-fer.
Even before 1995, he was never at Bumrah's level. Lots of pacers outperformed Waqar against good teams even during his peak.
In my opinion, Bumrah was above Waqar even before Aus series. Gap has become just too wide now. It's a lopsided comparison.
Waqar versus peers when Waqar was at his mythical peak in tests involving top 6 teams:
Waqar after his mythical peak against non-minnows: 40-50 tests with 1 5-fers.
Why will anyone even cite longevity with 1 5-fers with 40-50 tests. That lonegevity is useless. I can't even come up with 2nd example of a bowler playing 40-50 tests with only 1-fer.
Even before 1995, he was never at Bumrah's level. Lots of pacers outperformed Waqar against good teams even during his peak.
In my opinion, Bumrah was above Waqar even before Aus series. Gap has become just too wide now. It's a lopsided comparison.
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But there is no equivalence of Waqar's performance and Bumrah's performance against top teams any time in their career, including Waqar's prime.
Here is matches involving top 6 teams during prime - Waqar played 18 games
Lots of pacers outperformed Waqar in tests invovling top 6 sides during his peak. Only against 1 team he averages under 25.
No one has outperformed Bumrah in tests involving top 6 sides since he debuted. Against all teams, except one, he averages below 25.
That is including home and away both. Just for away, it's even more lopsided comaprison. And yes, I am talking about Waqar's prime and if you go out side of prime then Waqar played 40-50 tests with 1-fers against non-minnows. That's not even world class. I am struggling to cite any world class bowler playing 40-50 tests with 1 5-fer.
There is no evidence to suggest that Waqar was in Bumrah's class any time in his career and then Waqar's last 43 tests pulls him far far down.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Can't count 89 and his early 90 Aussie tour in his prime imo. He burst into scene, but not from his debut game.
OK, we can remove 89 and early 90s Aussies tour, Then he has these 13 tests, Only against one team he averaged sub 25 among top 6 test teams during his prime.
We already know that he wasn't even world class for the last 43 tests so longevity arguement is just meaningless. And his peak is not worth hyping.
No one hypes, Bumrah averaging 10 agasint SL/WI/BD. He is rated for turning it on and actually having a great record against top teams of his era, Waqar never had it even in his prime.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Probably should though. I have said this before and will again, 2019 is still some of the best pure bowling class I have ever watched. You always can't select whom you play. Waqar had a crazy good 5 year peak where despite bashing a weak NZ (though mind you, with Crowe, who was better than anyone from England). Absolutely dominated a still very strong WI line-up and had a very good tour of England. Played 2 home games vs Australia, though again, it's debatable whether it should count as his prime.
capt_Luffy
International Coach
Interesting way to right Alec Stewart......
Johan
International Vice-Captain
two amazing players of pace and bounce! but I had Gooch's match winning ton in mind at Headingley I think
I am not saying that Waqar was not good during his prime. Waqar was good during his prime and yet many outperformed him against better teams.
Given that and him being not even world class for 43 tests after injury, comparison is lopsided here.
Rob Wesley
School Boy/Girl Captain
We can’t assume anything based on 13 games sample. Include NZ and then compare with his peers because NZ with Crowe is more or less at same level as Eng or India. They would do well vs some teams and not do well vs some.
He was destructive vs NZ and WI at its prime. He was good vs Aus and Eng. He didn’t played SA and India at its prime.
He averages 28 vs SA and he played the SA team from 1997 onwards. He wasn’t at his prime but SA had Donald, Pollock at its prime destroying teams. In batting, SA now had Kallis too. That tells me that if Waqar got to face SA of pre-1995, he would have done a lot better.
Rob Wesley
School Boy/Girl Captain
Waqar in 1990 vs NZ :-
3 matches 29 wickets
This was the series where Crowe was lone warrior for NZ. Question could be raised how did Waqar actually managed to pick so many wickets in this series on home pitches?
3 matches 29 wickets
This was the series where Crowe was lone warrior for NZ. Question could be raised how did Waqar actually managed to pick so many wickets in this series on home pitches?