Choose one opening pair : Hobbs & Gavaskar vs Hutton & Sutcliffe

[capt_Luffy]

wtf where

It's not necessarily uncommon, don't think it's wrong as well.

 

[Johan]

It's not necessarily uncommon, don't think it's wrong as well.

it's wrong, but didn't think that was the common take, always though the consensus was Hobbs and Hutton instead of Hobbs and Gavaskar

 

[DrWolverine]

In many places
Twitter. Reddit. Many online forums.
1. He is India’s first all time great cricketer.
2. He has proved himself against great pacers.
3. He has peer acclaim as a great opener.

 

[DrWolverine]

it's wrong

I do not think it is such a wrong take. Gavaskar proved himself against some of the greatest bowlers of all time.

 

[capt_Luffy]

it's wrong, but didn't think that was the common take, always though the consensus was Hobbs and Hutton instead of Hobbs and Gavaskar

It's Hobbs, then either Hutton or Gavaskar (the only correct answer).

 

[sayon basak]

It's Hobbs, then either Hutton or Gavaskar (the only correct answer).

Or Boycott.

 

[Johan]

In many places
Twitter. Reddit. Many online forums.
1. He is India’s first all time great cricketer.
2. He has proved himself against great pacers.
3. He has peer acclaim as a great opener.

Eh, Twitter and Reddit are places that probably don't know pre 70s Cricket

 

[Johan]

It's Hobbs, then either Hutton or Gavaskar (the only correct answer).

Hobbs, Hutton, Gavaskar and then Sutcliffe.

 

[Johan]

I do not think it is such a wrong take. Gavaskar proved himself against some of the greatest bowlers of all time.

conditions advantage for Hutton cancel out the bowlers advantage for Gavaskar, you're just left with one having a blatantly better record.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hobbs, Hutton, Gavaskar and then Sutcliffe.

Sutcliffe isn't universally 4th tbf. Barry, Trumper, Boycott, Sehwag, Hayden, Smith, Greenidge, Gooch, Cook all are fairly highly rated elsewhere.

 

[ankitj]

In many places
Twitter. Reddit. Many online forums.
1. He is India’s first all time great cricketer.
2. He has proved himself against great pacers.
3. He has peer acclaim as a great opener.

It's not twitter and reddit I am talking about. Check ESPN legends of cricket ranking. Check Richie Benaud's all time XI.

Hutton > Gavaskar is not some kind of consensus among cricket historians. In this comparison difference is not material to make a difference.

 

[DrWolverine]

conditions advantage for Hutton cancel out the bowlers advantage for Gavaskar

Yes Hutton played in tougher conditions. Sunny played far better bowlers. For me Gavaskar’s achievements are better than what Hutton did.

 

[Johan]

Sutcliffe isn't universally 4th tbf. Barry, Trumper, Boycott, Sehwag, Hayden, Smith, Greenidge, Gooch, Cook all are fairly highly rated elsewhere.

Barry vs Sutcliffe is probably a good comparision (yes I'm baiting Coronis), Tho I don't think it makes sense to rate Sutcliffe too much behind others, he averaged 60+, master against spin, master of spin and proven against pace too, I don't have him much behind the other Hs of English Cricket, he just has a bit of a duller career.

 

[Johan]

Yes Hutton played in tougher conditions. Sunny played far better bowlers. For me Gavaskar’s achievements are better than what Hutton did.

what away series from Gavaskar is better than Hutton's 1950 Ashes?

 

[Coronis]

Barry vs Sutcliffe is probably a good comparision (yes I'm baiting Coronis), Tho I don't think it makes sense to rate Sutcliffe too much behind others, he averaged 60+, master against spin, master of spin and proven against pace too, I don't have him much behind the other Hs of English Cricket, he just has a bit of a duller career.

brb gotta write a couple of paragraphs on his greatness that I’ve posted 100 times before

 

[capt_Luffy]

what away series from Gavaskar is better than Hutton's 1950 Ashes?

1979 England

 

[Johan]

1979 England

alright, we both know the England 1979 series isn't better than 1950 Ashes.

 

[capt_Luffy]

alright, we both know the England 1979 series isn't better than 1950 Ashes.

Don't think it's necessarily worse either.

 

[DrWolverine]

Gavaskar’s first series in WI
Gavaskar’s series against Holding & Roberts
Gavaskar’s series against Imran Khan
Gavaskar’s series against peak Botham & Willis

 

[Johan]

Don't think it's necessarily worse either.

close, but not that close