Richard Hadlee vs Gary Sobers

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Oh oh... This is tough

Excluding Don and Barnes

1.Gavaskar
2.Sobers

1.Akram
2.Hadlee

People think Sobers underachieved with bat.
But Hadlee was One man army.
Now, we have to use Stardom and Style..
Sobers wins.. Just

 

[kyear2]

I read somewhere that he had like 5 surgeries before his 1957 England series and was not in the condition to play but played anyway, averaged 17 that series, but when he was healthy (or minor problems) he averaged 56 in 1950 in England and made 256 in one inning against Sir Alec Bedser and Jim Laker, some of the greatest bowlers England ever had

Yeah Weekes had destroyed some thigh muscles in an injury and it also greatly compromised his next Australia tour.

But the record is the record, and away in the 50's was a gauntlet and some thing the players of the previous 3 decades never had to deal with.

 

[kyear2]

Bro mentioned Sanga

This, lol

 

[kyear2]

Not really.
Batsmen : Sobers. Viv. Sachin. Smith.
Bowlers : Marshall. Hadlee. McGrath.

Would possibly add Lara, and would similarly struggle to add Steyn to the bowling list.

 

[kyear2]

I would say Hutton, Sunny & Lara are in the same tier as well but many would not agree.

Noting how some are slowly trying to slip Sunny in there.

But I have Smith, Lara, Hutton in the same sub tier. Possibly a touch below best after Bradman (Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Hobbs), but still best in their era (co for Lara).

 

[kyear2]

think Lara and Smith is very close.

Very, though have Smith so very slightly ahead.

 

[DrWolverine]

Noting how some are slowly trying to slip Sunny in there.

Sunny is just as good if not better than Lara.

 

[kyear2]

Hadlee for me. On primary skill, I'm only willing to rate maybe Marshall, McGrath and Sachin above, again maybe. Bradman obviously is incomparable.

For the most part I like this.

On primary skills alone, the only ones definitely ahead of Hadlee for me are...

Marshall, Tendulkar, McGrath, Richards, Hobbs.

I think I rate Hadlee and Sobers just about equal and hard to separate.

And I've consistently said that it's Hadlee and not the other 80's all rounder who
is Sobers's natural comp. Primary, all rounder and cricketer. Though more so the former and latter.

Brilliant bowler who just happened to play in an era with the GOAT bowler and overshadowed by the GOAT bowling all rounder as well. That's just ****ed up timing, but in both cases he's still 2nd best.

 

[kyear2]

Very close.

Only one had challenging home conditions for pace. Think it has to be Kallis, but that's just my opinion.

 

[DrWolverine]

Brilliant bowler who just happened to play in an era with the GOAT bowler

Sometimes I feel he was just as good as Marshall. He did not have the luxury of pressure from the opposite end and also had batting responsibilities.

 

[kyear2]

Sunny is just as good if not better than Lara.

I don't know if this is serious or not, but God no.



Thankfully the rest of the forum haven't drank the Kool-aid as yet.

Really dude?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Well, I ofcourse won't say better but pretty close definitely. Sunny is closer to Lara than he is to Sachin for me

 

[DrWolverine]

Really dude?

Yes

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I don't know if this is serious or not, but God no.

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Thankfully the rest of the forum haven't drank the Kool-aid as yet.

Really dude?

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