Richard Hadlee vs Gary Sobers

[DrWolverine]

not sure if this is reliable tbh

Why?
I got it from espncricinfo

 

[DrWolverine]

Garry sobers is from which era?

After Don
Before Viv/Sunny.

 

[Johan]

Why?
I got it from espncricinfo

I read somewhere that he had like 5 surgeries before his 1957 England series and was not in the condition to play but played anyway, averaged 17 that series, but when he was healthy (or minor problems) he averaged 56 in 1950 in England and made 256 in one inning against Sir Alec Bedser and Jim Laker, some of the greatest bowlers England ever had

 

[shortpitched713]

Maybe McGrath. Not Steyn and others.
No



Sachin. Smith. Viv.

Subjective elements aside, point remains, there are more in the Hadlee ballpark conversation than Sobers.

If I give you those 3 + Sanga, are there any more that are even in the convo without being laughed out?

You've got to find 3 more modernish (roughly ~1960 onward lets say) bats, in order to match the listing which I was able to give which while you disagree with, was 7 modernish bowlers who reasonable people could potentially place above or at least level to Hadlee.

 

[Johan]

Subjective elements aside, point remains, there are more in the Hadlee ballpark conversation than Sobers.

If I give you those 3 + Sanga, are there any more that are even in the convo without being laughed out?

You've got to find 3 more modernish (roughly ~1960 onward lets say) bats, in order to match the listing which I was able to give which while you disagree with, was 7 modernish bowlers who reasonable people could potentially place above or at least level to Hadlee.

Bro mentioned Sanga

 

[Narayana]

Bro mentioned Sanga

Who is better test batsmen between sanga and Kallis?

 

[Johan]

Who is better test batsmen between sanga and Kallis?

equals in my opinion, if I've to give someone the edge, it's Kallis by the smallest margin imaginable

 

[shortpitched713]

Bro mentioned Sanga

I'll even give him Gavaskar and Lara as well for free. Still 1 short of the list of modernish bowlers who can compete with Hadlee.

 

[DrWolverine]

Who is better test batsmen between sanga and Kallis?

Kallis for me

 

[DrWolverine]

There are more in the Hadlee ballpark conversation than Sobers.

Not really.
Batsmen : Sobers. Viv. Sachin. Smith.
Bowlers : Marshall. Hadlee. McGrath.

 

[Johan]

Smith can't be there without Hutton being there.

 

[DrWolverine]

Smith can't be there without Hutton being there.

True.

 

[DrWolverine]

I would say Hutton, Sunny & Lara are in the same tier as well but many would not agree.

 

[Coronis]

I read somewhere that he had like 5 surgeries before his 1957 England series and was not in the condition to play but played anyway, averaged 17 that series, but when he was healthy (or minor problems) he averaged 56 in 1950 in England and made 256 in one inning against Sir Alec Bedser and Jim Laker, some of the greatest bowlers England ever had

iirc he apparently had sinusitis.

 

[Johan]

iirc he apparently had sinusitis.

Believable.

 

[Johan]

I would say Hutton, Sunny & Lara are in the same tier as well but many would not agree.

think Lara and Smith is very close.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Who is better test batsmen between sanga and Kallis?

Kallis

 

[PlayerComparisons]

For Sobers there is only Tendulkar as a viable "modernish" competitor.

Hayden as well

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Hadlee for me. On primary skill, I'm only willing to rate maybe Marshall, McGrath and Sachin above, again maybe. Bradman obviously is incomparable.

 

[sayon basak]

Who is better test batsmen between sanga and Kallis?

Very close.