Coronis
International Coach
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Gary Sobers vs Steven Smith
- Thread starter DrWolverine
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Can we make the argument that Smith had a better peak but Sobers a longer period of sustained dominance?
Coronis
International Coach
I think you’d be stupid not to make that argument.
sayon basak
International Captain
Babar Azam: 2427 runs @37.33; 3 100's.
Marnus Labuschagne: 1491 runs @36.36; 2 100's
Cooler.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
be better in his decline, Sobers even at the end was treating the likes of Willis, Lillee, the indian spin quaret and underwood as gully bowlers. obviously longetivity, Sobers played for 20 years, he has the same thing as Sachin
DrWolverine
International Debutant
So far he hasn’t had a bad decline at all.
2021 - Avg of 58 in 5 matches. 1 ton.
2022 - Avg of 53 in 11 matches. 3 tons.
2023 - Avg of 43 in 13 matches. 2 tons.
2024 - Avg of 35 in 9 matches. 3 tons.
2021-2024 - Avg of 46 with 8 centuries.
2021 - Avg of 58 in 5 matches. 1 ton.
2022 - Avg of 53 in 11 matches. 3 tons.
2023 - Avg of 43 in 13 matches. 2 tons.
2024 - Avg of 35 in 9 matches. 3 tons.
2021-2024 - Avg of 46 with 8 centuries.
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Smith isn’t even close to Sobers
Johan
International Vice-Captain
why? you're overrating older players atp
Johan
International Vice-Captain
Bro his average fell from 60 to 55.8 in like 18 months lol, that's rough, if he plays the Ashes it might be 52-53 when he retires.
shortpitched713
International Captain
For a BBB candidate, this is a marked decline. He needs to really come back strong, to continue being considered in the very top batting tier.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Since Ashes 2019, he is averaging 42.61 from 46 tests.
Avging
34 v ENG from 10 tests
29 v NZ from 5 tests
29 in IND from 4 tests
41 v PAK from 8 tests
He is beating up only two nations.
The bottom two - WI and SL. Thats a sign.
Avging
34 v ENG from 10 tests
29 v NZ from 5 tests
29 in IND from 4 tests
41 v PAK from 8 tests
He is beating up only two nations.
The bottom two - WI and SL. Thats a sign.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
I don't think he will go down that much this year because he has a relatively easier year with SL and WI imo. He averages 125 vs Windies overall.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
Sri Lanka will give him proper turners like they do to everyone so that should logically be hard, his average in under 50 against Sri Lanka and under 50 in Sri Lanka. West Indies is interesting though, scoring against them will be tough on current Australia pitches but if Australia makes a flat road like they did at Perth in 2022 for Smith to get his 200* then he can still score against Windies, but considering they did it before they might do it again.
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Smith and Kohli showing why you have to wait till a players career is over before comparing them to ATGs with completed careers although obviously Smith’s peak and decline are better than Kohli’s
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centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Smith saved his 2022 with a 200* against weak Windies on a road. His avg otherwise is 10 points less for 2022.
Labuschagne fmd
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PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Windies have a stronger pace attack now with Seales, Shamar
Also Aus will likely prepare spicy pitches against England like they did against India
Also Aus will likely prepare spicy pitches against England like they did against India
Johan
International Vice-Captain
let's not, Smith in the last 5 years has also done things that would positively effect his legacy, Kohli hasn't...
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Australia is playing WI away this team.
2022/23 and 2023/24 were both at home.
Windies pitches are usually flat. Whatever small loss he has in SL can be more than made up in WI. Though he could lose 1-2 points in the 6 tests vs Eng & SA. So imo he'll still be 54+ by year end.