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Who is the best since Bradman?

Who is Best since Bradman

  • Steve Smith

    Votes: 6 28.6%

  • Sachin Tendulkar

    Votes: 15 71.4%
  • Total voters
    21
centurymaker

centurymaker

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Johan said:
definitely a good record regardless, I just think he could've done better against McGrath and Donald, and his 2000s record is a little bloated and imo he was an inferior Batsmen to the beast he was in the 90s. You already know I hold Sachin in extremely high regard.
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Got several poor decisions against Aus which affected his numbers in matches with McGrath. But agree with 2000s. Actually he shouldn't have even played in 2004 while injured, including infamous mumbai test where clarke took 6/9.

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centurymaker said:
Not possible. For that he needed to have debuted at 17 and not got dropped in 2011 (for a couple of years). And then play on till 40+. To even reach 150 tests, he'd have to play till 2028. That too is unlikely.
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Agreed. I’m just saying that if he hypothetically did play 200, he wouldn’t be averaging even close to Tendulkar imo.

If he plays till 150 tests, then I think he will average around 50.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
But he'd retire well before that, if his avg dipped like that. I think he will finish on 52/53 and maybe play around 135-140 tests. Guy is acutely aware of his stats so don't see him playing on too long if his performances dip.
 
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centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Johan said:
Stat awareness and obsession will save a lot of modern bats tbh, except Kohli.
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If Kohli gets a hundred in England, then even if he avgs 30 overall in the series, I think he will play on and therefore could end up averaging less than 45 by end of year.

He is one guy who is clueless about stats. He thinks he is still in his prime imo. The way he keeps trying to play the same shots.. he's got to be one of the most deluded players of all time.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Burgey said:
Sorry wot?
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“He is right up there (Smith). If he is not (number) one, he is two," said Border.

"I probably still rate Ricky Ponting number one but it is a discussion now with Smith and maybe they just pip Greg Chappell"

“As far as Australia’s concerned, we’ve had Greg Chappell, Ricky Ponting, Steve Waugh, those sorts of players. But now Steve (Smith) ranks equally with that group, no problems whatsoever.” Border said.
 
Johan

Johan

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centurymaker said:
If Kohli gets a hundred in England, then even if he avgs 30 overall in the series, I think he will play on and therefore could end up averaging less than 45 by end of year.

He is one guy who is clueless about stats. He thinks he is still in his prime imo. The way he keeps trying to play the same shots.. he is got to be one of the most deluded players of all time.
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I feel like it's a technical flaw, he just doesn't have scoring runs against offside pitched deliveries except his drives, they used to work when he was lightning-quick and precise so got his drives off and thus got runs, now that he is older and both mentally and physically slower he accidentally nicks the same deliveries he would've smashed apart in prime, he is nothing like Sachin who had a vast arsenal of shots and his spin play is very defensive and doesn't have scoring shots against spin either.

at peak, his phsyicals hid all these technical flaws, he was able to make runs in England in 2018 playing the same shots he did in 2014 but with just a slightly altered foot positioning, now all that ability has faded and he is left with a deeply flawed technique against kookadukes and a bowling era, don't think one can rework their technique at 36 tbh, if he started in 2020 with the reworks... maybe.
 
Burgey

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Regarding TOTAB's comments.

Smith's already comfortably better than Chappell by virtue of the more varied nature of his record. Part of that is there being more test playing countries, part of it being GC picking and choosing his tours in the back half of his career.

Ponting gets points for batting three, and I think he gets downgraded a little bit unfairly because he declined so markedly towards the end of his career, and because people love to hate him because he was Australian and just too good for a lot of them. But Smith is still better across a wider range of conditions.

Waugh doesn't belong in this argument with Smith at all, as fine a player as he was.

The bloke who actually does belong in the discussion is Border himself, by dint of his away record which is ****ing extraordinary, and the fact he never squibbed on a single test match (153 on the bounce ffs) let alone a series, and carried the captaincy for over 90 matches while doing it.

Without Border there's no 90s-2000s era of Australian excellence. Everyone who played in that era, even those who started after he retired, know it and acknowledge it.

Border is easily Australia's greatest post war cricketer as opposed to batsman or bowler. And belongs in the world wide discussion for that title too. This is a hill I will die on.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Johan said:
I feel like it's a technical flaw, he just doesn't have scoring runs against offside pitched deliveries except his drives, they used to work when he was lightning-quick and precise so got his drives off and thus got runs, now that he is older and both mentally and physically slower he accidentally nicks the same deliveries he would've smashed apart in prime, he is nothing like Sachin who had a vast arsenal of shots and his spin play is very defensive and doesn't have scoring shots against spin either.

at peak, his phsyicals hid all these technical flaws, he was able to make runs in England in 2018 playing the same shots he did in 2014 but with just a slightly altered foot positioning, now all that ability has faded and he is left with a deeply flawed technique against kookadukes and a bowling era, don't think one can rework their technique at 36 tbh, if he started in 2020 with the reworks... maybe.
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Totally agree.

There's no way he is not going to feature in the next series against England. So I'm hoping the selectors have a chat with him and only given him the first 2 or 3 tests in England to perform. If he still gets out cheaply in same fashion, it would be time to drop him for good.
 
Johan

Johan

International Vice-Captain
centurymaker said:
Totally agree.

There's no way he is not going to feature in the next series against England. So I'm hoping the selectors have a chat with him and only given him the first 2 or 3 tests in England to perform. If he still gets out cheaply in same fashion, it would be time to drop him for good.
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agreed, don't really know why he should be picked again if he doesn't even output 30-35 runs per inning, England really should be the end if he fails.
 
centurymaker

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
The selectors are a huge problem. They have named Shubman Gill as the Vice Captain for Champions Trophy, which tells us how oblivious they really are. Dude avgs less than 20 in Sena in last 4 years, yet he has been rewarded with vice captaincy in odis and is likely to replace Rohit as the captain fairly soon.

If they can carry Gill, promote him in fact, Kohli probably feels he can continue endlessly as well.
 
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