Jacques Kallis vs Ricky Ponting

[sayon basak]

I don’t think Younis’s rating will change much here. He is rated Dravid level here.

Not sure about that. Pretty certain that Dravid is rated much higher.

Rahul Dravid vs Younis Khan

This topic popped up in another thread so thought I’d make a poll

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[Bolo.]

First off, Kallis doesn't have a much better away record. Ponting has a problem in India, Kallis is sub par in SL and Eng. They both did well outside of that.

Kallis record at home is his biggest USP.

But he lacked the ability to dominate attacks for much of his career.

These country comparisons have a habit of being disingenuous. Kallis averages 54 away. Ponting 46. These are very different numbers, and they don't come from being worse in 2 countries. Are there any bats in modern cricket with an 8 point gap in average who you would rate the lower averaging bat better for? Assuming roughly equivalent factors like era, career length and batting position.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Not sure about that. Pretty certain that Dravid is rated much higher.

I’m pretty sure most people rate them in the same tier

 

[Johan]

Dravid is not much lesser than Jack

 

[sayon basak]

I’m pretty sure most rate them in the same tier

Rahul Dravid vs Younis Khan

This topic popped up in another thread so thought I’d make a poll

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Almost everybody voted for Dravid, and half of them voted that it's not close.

And pretty sure Younis would not make it in the top 25 if the poll was done now.

 

[sayon basak]

Dravid is not much lesser than Jack

Yeah, and don't think Younis is nearly as high as Kallis.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Rahul Dravid vs Younis Khan

This topic popped up in another thread so thought I’d make a poll

www.cricketweb.net

Almost everybody voted for Dravid, and half of them voted that it's not close.

And pretty sure Younis will not make it in the top 25 if the poll was done now.

So everyone agrees that Dravid is better but more than half agree that it’s close

 

[Johan]

Yeah, and don't think Younis is nearly as high as Kallis.

Dravid's away record is better than Jack imo but his home record is worse

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Interestingly, Younis did the make the top 25 last year

2024 Ranking of Batsmen Poll

As long as we get 10 or more voters we will continue. 12 voters this round and 14 nominations. 12 - McCabe, Lawry; 8 - Pietersen, Cowdrey; 6 - Gower; 5 - Hazare; 4 - MaCartney, Morris, Yousuf; 3 - Paynter; 2 - Hassett, Donnelly; 1 - Ponsford, Ranjitsinhji. McCabe and Lawry share 55th spot by...

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[sayon basak]

Interestingly, Younis did the make the top 25 last year

2024 Ranking of Batsmen Poll

As long as we get 10 or more voters we will continue. 12 voters this round and 14 nominations. 12 - McCabe, Lawry; 8 - Pietersen, Cowdrey; 6 - Gower; 5 - Hazare; 4 - MaCartney, Morris, Yousuf; 3 - Paynter; 2 - Hassett, Donnelly; 1 - Ponsford, Ranjitsinhji. McCabe and Lawry share 55th spot by...

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That's what I was referring to.

 

[Johan]

Kohli fell from above De Villiers to life or death with Amla, tragic.

 

[sayon basak]

Kohli fell from above Amla to life or death with Gooch, tragic.

Edited for the future, you're welcome.

 

[Johan]

Edited for the future, you're welcome.

is it really is possible Kohli falls to 42-43 average? Smith was iirc averaging 37 on English greentops last year so Kohli being the far inferior bat will prob average 25, which will only get him to 45.

 

[subshakerz]

These country comparisons have a habit of being disingenuous. Kallis averages 54 away. Ponting 46. These are very different numbers, and they don't come from being worse in 2 countries. Are there any bats in modern cricket with an 8 point gap in average who you would rate the lower averaging bat better for? Assuming roughly equivalent factors like era, career length and batting position.

Laxman over Yousuf. Mark Waugh over Jaya. Etc.

 

[Johan]

why was Pakistan in the 2000s so flat?

 

[Bolo.]

Laxman over Yousuf. Mark Waugh over Jaya. Etc.

Answering this question with the most notorious HTBs from the era should trigger some irony bells in the context of this conversation.

 

[sayon basak]

why was Pakistan in the 2000s so flat?

Malnutrition.

 

[subshakerz]

Answering this question with the most notorious HTBs from the era should trigger some irony bells in the context of this conversation.

Lol you asked the question.

 

[Johan]

how much these lads bullied the borderline minnow level helpless Post Walsh 2000s Windies attack

Kallis — 1604 runs @ 100.25 with 7 tons
Ponting — 1457 runs @ 60.7 with 6 tons, Excluding Roach, 1175 runs @ 83.92 with 6 tons.

Nice.

 

[akilana]

Kallis avgs 33 at home vs Australia.
(14 Tests)

The closest thing to facing a South African bowling attack in South Africa is facing an Australian pace attack. Kallis didn't have to face his own pace bowlers, so his real test in home conditions was against Australia. And he didn't have success.

He averaged over 50 vs the English attack in 2005 that won the Ashes in 2005.
He was also the best batsman and averaged over 60 when WI toured SA in 2000.. which had both Ambrose and Walsh. I think Ambrose or Walsh missed a test.