sayon basak
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It's weird, they did some of the hard work in giving Okada a heel persona that works in the US, and then they just don't use him at all as a main eventer? I've read the plan is Okada vs Omega at All In for July and I've got no idea how that will be a satisfying road currently.Yeah 100%. He's done absolutely nothing of note. I tend to forget he's even there tbh.
Yeah it's mind boggling. One actually suspects that he'd have had more of an impact/more success if he had opted to go to WWE instead, which is pretty crazy when you think about it.It's weird, they did some of the hard work in giving Okada a heel persona that works in the US, and then they just don't use him at all as a main eventer? I've read the plan is Okada vs Omega at All In for July and I've got no idea how that will be a satisfying road currently.
I mean almost every time it was intentional on his part. The thing about Shawn was he was able to get a level of emotional investment, mainly due to his style and his size, that perhaps Bret could not. But Bret got you buying into the realism even when he dominated without the flashy moves and he was neither too small nor too big etc.could get a bit hammy.
He was also just bloody amazing in his 97 post Mania run till the screwjob. One of the best heels ever IMO. And the whole face-heel switch while working a match etc. When he did buy into what was happening and did the business, he was the best. It was just that every few often he wouldn't coz he took it all and himself too seriously.Bret's supposed lack of personality is a little overstated a lot of the time imo, mainly because people tend to think not being great at promos = lack of charisma. Bret (and others who faced similar criticisms, like Benoit) actually had quite a lot of personality imo, but they just showed theirs differently. E.g., his Wrestlemania match with Roddy Piper is basically an entire fallen hero/villain redemption story arc, told in like 15 minutes (or whatever it was), without any dialogue, purely conveyed through physical storytelling. And it's really ****ing good to boot. Try doing that without any ****ing personality.
I am really wondering if at some point in the near future AEW would get desperate enough to bring Vince in at least as an on-air talent like how the E did with Eric BIschoff.New (relatively) Bret intie on Austin's podcast is pretty cool. Stone Cold's positively reverent towards The Hitman.
Austin actually brings up Bret's realism in his matches and how he looked like he was in a real fight even with all the choreographed movesets. It's the one quality that I've only grown to appreciate more and more over time and greatly compensates for his lack of personality lol. Only Austin himself came close to depicting that level of verisimilitude from the post-85/90 crop. Shawn, great as he was, could get a bit hammy.
Yeah I definitely see "charisma" and "promo ability" as seperate things.Bret's supposed lack of personality is a little overstated a lot of the time imo, mainly because people tend to think not being great at promos = lack of charisma. Bret (and others who faced similar criticisms, like Benoit) actually had quite a lot of personality imo, but they just showed theirs differently. E.g., his Wrestlemania match with Roddy Piper is basically an entire fallen hero/villain redemption story arc, told in like 15 minutes (or whatever it was), without any dialogue, purely conveyed through physical storytelling. And it's really ****ing good to boot. Try doing that without any ****ing personality.
Exactly, and I think one of the reasons why I rate HBK so highly was that he was great at both forms of storytelling.Yeah I definitely see "charisma" and "promo ability" as seperate things.
Some people have an aura, ability to physically tell a story and match presence that is completely seperate from their ability to speak.
I actually think his 2000s run was kinda stale character work wise bar the Taker feud, but I feel like that just reinforces my argument about it taking Shawn far too long to actually become a compelling character when Bret was pulling it off as early as the Davey Boy feud in 92.I think that all rather ignores all of HBK's post 2004 return work though TBF.
I'm not sure I agree tbh. More often than not between his return and his retirement, he had the best match/feud of the night at WM every year. And character work played a big part in that.I actually think his 2000s run was kinda stale character work wise bar the Taker feud, but I feel like that just reinforces my argument about it taking Shawn far too long to actually become a compelling character when Bret was pulling it off as early as the Davey Boy feud in 92.
feel like a lot of the times he had an inbuilt story (Ric Flair "retirement" match lol) or the other guy doing the character work while Shawn plays Shawn Michaels (Chris Jericho match), really think the Taker matches are the one where he really brought out his character work.I'm not sure I agree tbh. More often than not between his return and his retirement, he had the best match/feud of the night at WM every year. And character work played a big part in that.
Yeah, that's fair enough. I can certainly see that side of the argument, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.feel like a lot of the times he had an inbuilt story (Ric Flair "retirement" match lol) or the other guy doing the character work while Shawn plays Shawn Michaels (Chris Jericho match), really think the Taker matches are the one where he really brought out his character work.
Fair.Yeah, that's fair enough. I can certainly see that side of the argument, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.
I am nothing if not fair, Johan.Fair.