Jacques Kallis vs Glenn Mcgrath

[kyear2]

#2 bowler of all time vs #17 Batsmen is close these days because of...medium pace bowling with less than 1WPM? what a joke

No. 2 bowler vs my no. 14 batsman. No can't say it's close.

As I said the bowling by itself can't, but being a top 10 slip would bring it closer of the primary gulf wasn't so huge.

 

[kyear2]

Dude you are great, I thought I was the only one here who put Kallis outside the top 15 bats.

Kallis' was an accumulator in a lineup of accumulators that was looking for an actual alpha bat.

And you just take it too damn far.

 

[kyear2]

That’s because he was a decent wicket keeper. Nothing special.

Is decent good enough for AT consideration?

 

[kyear2]

Because they were Great keepers and mediocre bats, the exact opposite of Flower....... What are you gonna say next, Gilchrist was never recognised as good a keeper as Evans, Oldfield and Tallon???

Ultimate straw man argument.

But good to see you finally recognize him as an mediocre keeper.

 

[subshakerz]

No. 2 bowler vs my no. 14 batsman. No can't say it's close.

As I said the bowling by itself can't, but being a top 10 slip would bring it closer of the primary gulf wasn't so huge.

Do you apply this slip points to ABD and even better slippers than Kallis to overtake more accomplished bats? Would you rate Smith ahead of Tendulkar as a cricketer based on his slip catching? Or does it just magically come up with ARs?

Seems ridiculous that the best bat since Bradman is displaced because of this.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Wicketkeepers with 25+ Tests & playing at 5/6

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Shows the madness of Blundell batting at 6 when he averages 78 @ 7.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

2) He consistently kept to utter crap who won't get picked for Australian State Teams

Heath Streak would've walked into that Australian team - better than Lee, Kaspa, Reiffel, Fleming, Julian, Bichel etc

 

[_00_deathscar]

Heath Streak would've walked into that Australian team - better than Lee, Kaspa, Reiffel, Fleming, Julian, Bichel etc

And he was their star bowler, the rest were largely very crap.
Not sure he’d have gotten in ahead of Reiffel and Fleming mind you.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

And he was their star bowler, the rest were largely very crap.
Not sure he’d have gotten in ahead of Reiffel and Fleming mind you.

Better than them imo and almost a genuine all-rounder (admittedly Reiffel was a decent tailender).

 

[capt_Luffy]

Heath Streak would've walked into that Australian team - better than Lee, Kaspa, Reiffel, Fleming, Julian, Bichel etc

*Only Heath Streak

 

[sayon basak]

Jacques Kallis losing against McGrath but somehow winning against Tendulkar has to be the worst thing ever.

 

[subshakerz]

Jacques Kallis losing against McGrath but somehow winning against Tendulkar has to be the worst thing ever.

Totally. But I think if that poll were done recently Tendulkar might win.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ultimate straw man argument.

But good to see you finally recognize him as an mediocre keeper.

WoW..... So it's strawman to say now Gilchrist wasn't as good as Evans??

 

[capt_Luffy]

Didn't count for Cricinfo, but that's never been the only time that discussion has been had.

The match I found when I was surprised to see the byes at 0, then to see that he didn't keep that match. Were the bowers less crap then?

Yes, not all time great, not great, not.wirld class, not ven above standard.

Gilchrist existing hasn't stopped Knott from being part of the discussion or conversation.

So again, if an even really good keeper who batted like that existed, he would be part of that conversation.

So yes, do you know how absolutely bad a keeper who averaged 50 would have to be be, not to get pushed into said conversation.

It's just logic at this point.

And that's in the current environment within the sport where we've devalued keeping to the point where whispers of acceptable test stumpers like Pant will soon start to garner support from some circles.

Literally using a singular match scorecard to prove Zimbabwean bowlers weren't bowling **** is tight!!

You literally don't remember watching him keep....

Knott being in consideration is a decent stretch. The only people who pick him are those who want their keeper to the best they can get with being just decent bat being enough. A strawman.

I literally have you the reasons, have you even read??

"Back in my days keepers used to bat at 10 and average 15 with the bat." Pant made the AT India XI already really. I am sure if keeping was that important, surely some team would be smart enough to field the best keeper in their country who averages 20 like they did in the 60s in place of the one they do?? Or you really think every selector is an idiot...... Flower today will make into any nation's XI, Healy won't for a fair few.

 

[Coronis]

Literally using a singular match scorecard to prove Zimbabwean bowlers weren't bowling **** is tight!!

You literally don't remember watching him keep....

Knott being in consideration is a decent stretch. The only people who pick him are those who want their keeper to the best they can get with being just decent bat being enough. A strawman.

I literally have you the reasons, have you even read??

"Back in my days keepers used to bat at 10 and average 15 with the bat." Pant made the AT India XI already really. I am sure if keeping was that important, surely some team would be smart enough to field the best keeper in their country who averages 20 like they did in the 60s in place of the one they do?? Or you really think every selector is an idiot...... Flower today will make into any nation's XI, Healy won't for a fair few.

Who said that?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Who said that?

It literally is true for the majority of cricket history. Till the 70s, and even then; the number of keepers to average over 30 is less than those who did sub 20.