Sachin Tendulkar vs Brian Lara

[subshakerz]

The more you go into their records, the more you realise that Lara has almost no case to be ahead of Sachin.

The sole exception is if you rate someone based on their top level performances only like great innings and dominant series for which Sachin is behind.

 

[Fanboy375]

Lara has an average of 34 in 17 Tests against India.

Lara toured NZ thrice(1994, 1999, 2005). He averages 36 in 7 Tests.

Sachin has only bad average vs SL in 90s.Lara boost his average by playing against weak Eng bowling and he didn't even faced late 2000s SA peak bowlers like Sachin did.He also didn't faced Shoiab or Sami in Pak.One argument against Sachin is that he faced too much weak NZ bowlers and didn't faced peak Wasim or Waqar

 

[OverratedSanity]

He also didn't faced Sami in Pak.

Yeah, Lara really dodged a bullet there

 

[Fanboy375]

Lara toured NZ thrice(1994, 1999, 2005). He averages 36 in 7 Tests.

90s NZ bowling was laughable

 

[Fanboy375]

Yeah, Lara really dodged a bullet there

Also I think Lara didn't faced post 2005 ashes Eng.Before that nobody consider Eng to have good bowling unit (especially in 90s)

 

[Fanboy375]

The more you go into their records, the more you realise that Lara has almost no case to be ahead of Sachin.

The sole exception is if you rate someone based on their top level performances only like great innings and dominant series for which Sachin is behind.

And some can argue Lara had better runs/innings because Sachin has a lot of not outs

 

[Fanboy375]

I think they were neck and neck in the 90s. But Sachin's second run shifted the ball completely towards him.

But Sachin was more green than Lara during early 90s.Sachin is 4 years younger

 

[subshakerz]

Sachin has only bad average vs SL in 90s.Lara boost his average by playing against weak Eng bowling and he didn't even faced late 2000s SA peak bowlers like Sachin did.He also didn't faced Shoiab or Sami in Pak.One argument against Sachin is that he faced too much weak NZ bowlers and didn't faced peak Wasim or Waqar

Wasim wasn't at peak but was bowling very well in that 99 series. Waqar was finished though.

Sachin faced Bond in NZ but didn't score much that series. He definitely also piled on easier runs in Eng and NZ. The only difference with Lara is he had more productive series there whereas Lara was only great in one out of three tours in both countries.

 

[subshakerz]

Also I think Lara didn't faced post 2005 ashes Eng.Before that nobody consider Eng to have good bowling unit (especially in 90s)

No he faced the Ashes quartet that had formed just before in 2004 home and away and frankly struggled against the pace and bounce of Flintoff and Harmison.

 

[OverratedSanity]

90s NZ bowling was laughable

The late 90s attack which had Cairns, Doull, Nash was fine. Not amazing bowlers but quite good for home conditions. They were much worse in the 2000s (whenever Bond was injured) because all they had were Chris Martin, O'Brein, Franklin, etc. who were all terrible.

 

[subshakerz]

The late 90s attack which had Cairns, Doull, Nash was fine. Not amazing bowlers but quite good for home conditions. They were much worse in the 2000s (whenever Bond was injured) because all they had were Chris Martin, O'Brein, Franklin, etc. who were all terrible.

Yeah I feel we slag off the 90s NZ bowling a bit too much. It wasnt Hadlee but was a reasonable challenge in NZ conditions.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah I feel we slag off the 90s NZ bowling a bit too much. It wasnt Hadlee but was a reasonable challenge in NZ conditions.

Doull and Nash had injury trouble but when they played they were pretty good. Cairns too obviously. In comparison to some other 90s attacks like SA/Aus/Pak/WI they were weaker of course but certainly good on their own merits and could be very troublesome to face especially if they got seaming conditions.

 

[honestbharani]

Lara is better.

 

[Fanboy375]

frankly struggled against the pace and bounce of Flintoff and Harmison.

Lara dominate spin more than pace.His SL in 2001 and 2003 is evidence

 

[DrWolverine]

Warne vs Murali
Sachin vs Lara
Love these debates

 

[DrWolverine]

Just curious.
I often hear that Lara is great against spin.
Why did he not dominate India then?
We never had a great fast bowler before Bumrah.
We are dependant mostly on spinners back then.

 

[subshakerz]

Just curious.
I often hear that Lara is great against spin.
Why did he not dominate India then?
We never had a great fast bowler before Bumrah.
We are dependant mostly on spinners back then.

He by his own admission had trouble dominating flat spinners like Kumble and Harbi because they kept him quiet in his crease.

He preferred spinners who gave more flight.

 

[Fanboy375]

Just curious.
I often hear that Lara is great against spin.
Why did he not dominate India then?
We never had a great fast bowler before Bumrah.
We are dependant mostly on spinners back then.

Yeah.That is weird.

 

[subshakerz]

Doull and Nash had injury trouble but when they played they were pretty good. Cairns too obviously. In comparison to some other 90s attacks like SA/Aus/Pak/WI they were weaker of course but certainly good on their own merits and could be very troublesome to face especially if they got seaming conditions.

I also feel the same about England with Gough and Caddick. Quite a handful in English conditions but 90s and early 2000s England just gets written off.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Lara's best innings vs India was the one at Mohali in the 94 series imo. Opened the batting and gave them a lightning quick start to allow them to push for a win. Made a good 4th innings hundred later in his career to draw a test too iirc.