Jasprit Bumrah vs Malcolm Marshall

[kyear2]

I would agree to that, but as I said, the consensus is largely due to their playing styles. Roberts was rated by many over Marshall, as was Holding and Garner by quite a few, especially before the 90s.

By many? By 1.

And now I see you're just making us stuff.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Holding and Bumrah at least have 200 plus wickets to compare with those bowlers. Shoaib didn't even get there whereas Lee has over 300 test wickets.

178 vs 310. The difference on quality is greater.

 

[capt_Luffy]

By many? By 1.

And now I see you're just making us stuff.

Gavaskar and Lillee just on the top of my head....

 

[kyear2]

No? Tendulkar was the best in the world in the late 90s/ early 2000s before the flat track era and then again from 2008-2011 or so. His worst slump actually came right in the very middle of the road era in 03-06.
When people talk about Tendulkar as the best no one is thinking of the 2000s road era version.

No argument, as I said earlier, Sachin and Lara's legacies were built in the 1990's and very early 2000's. Same as Hobbs where his ranking is based on his work prior to the war.

 

[subshakerz]

178 vs 310. The difference on quality is greater.

The difference on quality is neutralised based on difference of availability.

 

[subshakerz]

Gavaskar and Lillee just on the top of my head....

Also Greg Chappell.

 

[capt_Luffy]

The difference on quality is neutralised based on difference of availability.

Let me rephrase it, the quality of bowler Lee was he would need 400 wickets to beat Akhtar. Availability is a huge factor, but hardly matters if you are mid when available.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Also Greg Chappell.

They just came on the top of my head instantaneously

 

[Fanboy375]

I would agree to that, but as I said, the consensus is largely due to their playing styles. Roberts was rated by many over Marshall, as was Holding and Garner by quite a few, especially before the 90s.

Roberts was older so people remember impact because nostalgia.

 

[subshakerz]

They just came on the top of my head instantaneously

Based on this article where he considers Bumrah right up there with the best.

Dennis Lillee and Andy Roberts were the best fast bowlers I faced. Bumrah combines the best of both

The Indian pace spearhead combines Lillee’s ability to dictate terms and unsettle batsmen with the cerebral approach of Roberts. If Australia can best him, they will win the Border-Gavaskar Trophy.

www.smh.com.au

 

[subshakerz]

Roberts was older so people remember impact because nostalgia.

Yeah he had the early arrival advantage which helped boost his reputation.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Roberts was older so people remember impact because nostalgia.

True. But Holding was showmanship moreso and Roberts also had plenty to do with that too. Also think how many people rated Compton over Hutton or Wasim over McGrath; showmanship had plenty to do with that

 

[Fanboy375]

True. But Holding was showmanship moreso and Roberts also had plenty to do with that too. Also think how many people rated Compton over Hutton or Wasim over McGrath; showmanship had plenty to do with that

Yeah like Warne over Murali.Or people like Flintoff and Pieterson being high

 

[subshakerz]

Let me rephrase it, the quality of bowler Lee was he would need 400 wickets to beat Akhtar. Availability is a huge factor, but hardly matters if you are mid when available.

Yeah we can disgaree.

If you saw the problem of Bumrah breaking down in this Sydney test and what it did for India, you will understand that this happened to Pakistan and Shoaib virtually every second series, assuming Shoaib would even appear.

 

[kyear2]

I doubt that's true , no one has just one criteria, you're just making up something else to get angry about

His one criteria wasn't longevity.

And who's angry.

 

[Johan]

True. But Holding was showmanship moreso and Roberts also had plenty to do with that too. Also think how many people rated Compton over Hutton or Wasim over McGrath; showmanship had plenty to do with that

what kind of clown has Compton over Hutton

 

[capt_Luffy]

what kind of clown has Compton over Hutton

John Woodcock for instance. Was a decently popular opinion when both played till like the 70s. Many had May ahead as well.

 

[sayon basak]

No Shoaib didn't have a better career. He barely could finish a handful of series as a bowler without breaking down. He missed probably half the games in his time.

You can't have a better career when you only have 10 fifers in a 76 matches

 

[DrWolverine]

Viv was only seen as the best for over a decade because of showmanship, but Tendulkar, oh he was actually good.

Viv was an all time great but yeah his destructive ability with the bat made him very popular.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah we can disgaree.

If you saw the problem of Bumrah breaking down in this Sydney test and what it did for India, you will understand that this happened to Pakistan and Shoaib virtually every second series, assuming Shoaib would even appear.

It's a huge problem, but say, would you really swap Bumrah for any bowler ever in this series??