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Viv Richards vs Brian Lara

Who was the greater test batsman?

  • Viv Richards

    Votes: 36 55.4%

  • Brian Lara

    Votes: 29 44.6%
  • Total voters
    65
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
subshakerz said:
One ton and no failures and scoring at a high SR. So yeah. Virat averaged 47 in SA what are you on about?

Here is the Wisden report in case you are unconvinced:

'Few individuals have so dominated a season as Richards did this one. Statistics help tell some of the story. In the Tests, he scored 140 at Brisbane, 96 at Melbourne, and 76 and 74 at Adelaide. In the World Series Cup, his sequence was 9, 153 not out, 62, 85 not out, 88, 23 and 65. Outside the Tests he batted in only two first-class innings, scoring 79 and 127. He gathered his runs with the command and range of strokes of the truly great batsmen, scoring freely against bowling of every type. That he has suffering at the time from groin and back trouble so acute that he was often forced to limp painfully emphasised the extraordinary nature of his performance.'
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I was getting at how scoring a century isn't the end all be all......
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
I was getting at how scoring a century isn't the end all be all......
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Of course a ton matters to an extent as a milestone and demonstration of skill in a career if you can last that long and score against top end bowling in a single stay at the crease. It also raises your threat level as a bat if you are capable of tons against anyone and anywhere.

You guys were literally using the ton argument to justify why Kohli is better than Younis in Aus despite averaging less.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
subshakerz said:
Of course a ton matters to an extent as a milestone and demonstration of skill in a career if you can last that long and score against top end bowling in a single stay at the crease. It also raises your threat level as a bat if you are capable of tons against anyone and anywhere.

You guys were literally using the ton argument to justify why Kohli is better than Younis in Aus despite averaging less.
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I wasn't. I used productivity argument. Kohli just scored great and won the 1st series in Australia by a SC team.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
I wasn't. I used productivity argument. Kohli just scored great and won the 1st series in Australia by a SC team.
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You argued that he had a near ATG series in 2014/15 with 4 tons and used that to justify him ahead.

Anyways, do you actually disagree with what I wrote? I think it's common sense. All being equal, I would prefer a bat who is capable of tons against any bowling versus someone who is not. Longer stays at the crease is a matter of batting skill.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
subshakerz said:
You argued that he had a near ATG series in 2014/15 with 4 tons and used that to justify him ahead.

Anyways, do you actually disagree with what I wrote? I think it's common sense. All being equal, I would prefer a bat who is capable of tons against any bowling versus someone who is not. Longer stays at the crease is a matter of batting skill.
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I argued why that was an ATG series. It would hardly change much for me if two of his tons were 90s.

Not necessarily. Tons are great and I prefer players who scores tons more often like Tendulkar and it's one of the reason why I rate Gavaskar as Viv's equal. The problem is moreso on over relying on them. Like Gavaskar has 34 tons, but his best innings technically was of 96. Or in this instance, Gavaskar scored the same number of tons in WI in 1983 as did Viv in Australia 1979, against a much better attack; the difference between one series being poorish and another ATG is what happened in them except the tons. That was my point really.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
Not necessarily. Tons are great and I prefer players who scores tons more often like Tendulkar and it's one of the reason why I rate Gavaskar as Viv's equal. The problem is moreso on over relying on them.
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Sounds like we agree.

Nobody is over relying on them. We are just talking about their complete absence in the case of Lara except for fast medium guys like McGrath and Pollock, which is a relative blemish.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
DrWolverine said:
I was just going through the stats of all time great batsman and didn’t know scoring tons against top pacers was this difficult.
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Pavers dictates to batsmen, but are more impacted by conditions.

It's really hard to dominate great pacers, especially in anything close to helpful or even conditions.

Dead ass conditions, then it's open season.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
Pavers dictates to batsmen, but are more impacted by conditions.

It's really hard to dominate great pacers, especially in anything close to helpful or even conditions.

Dead ass conditions, then it's open season.
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Every great bat has their day tho against even great pacers..well most great bats...
 
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