Sunil Gavaskar vs Wally Hammond

[kyear2]

Dude get over Barry. He was a classic missed opportunity. It's like arguing Mohd Asif was an ATG based on all the rave reviews of the time.

Don't think I will thanks.

And it was a direct response to a question asked.

I believe he's a top 10 batsman and that's borne out by the opinions of others. You don't have to agree, or even comment really.

 

[Johan]

I am still confused on Hammond after this thread.

why lol

 

[DrWolverine]

I am still confused on Hammond after this thread.

Why?

 

[kyear2]

They were pretty great performances, but yeah not particularly close for me overall. Lack of SC record, farzi away record and a 12 year long career..... No thank you. May even take Ponting over him.

Yes, but you also believe that Gavaskar was a top 6 batsman.

Chappell too is an ATG, and seen as good as good of not better during that era.

Chappell faced his share of the quartet and absolutely shined in WSC. Wayyyy tougher home pitches to boot as well.

 

[kyear2]

On pure quality, Chappell was up there with Lara tbh. Not sure where he ranks career wise though.

Tad bit too far, but yeah, Chappell was a great batsman.

 

[kyear2]

I particularly don't, all said and done, but that's probably fair. Definitely not to spin and most definitely not on slower tracks. As I said, not particularly close to me. Chappell has no case over Gavaskar afaic.

Better against pace in a pace heavy era is quite a case tbh. Tougher home pitches is another one.

 

[kyear2]

I wonder whose a worse person between the two?

Only one of them referred to fans as primates and continues to piss off everyone to this day.

 

[sayon basak]

Only one of them referred to fans as primates and continues to piss off everyone to this day.

I mean, human beings are primates.

 

[subshakerz]

why lol

Good arguments both sides.

 

[Johan]

Only one of them referred to fans as primates and continues to piss off everyone to this day.

Sunny's that bluntly racist? Yikes

 

[Johan]

Good arguments both sides.

Fair

 

[capt_Luffy]

Better against pace in a pace heavy era is quite a case tbh. Tougher home pitches is another one.

If his home conditions were that tougher, I can't rate Lillee highly at all. Australia in the 70s wasn't really low scoring if you look at them. And slightly better against pace, at best, arguably. Worse to anything else. Guess should rate Ponting>Lara by that logic then.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Sunny's that bluntly racist? Yikes

He referred to them as "from the jungle" which I suppose is a bit different than calling someone a monkey; not to mention it's not a uncommon phrase to refer to a wild crowd in India.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yes, but you also believe that Gavaskar was a top 6 batsman.

Chappell too is an ATG, and seen as good as good of not better during that era.

Chappell faced his share of the quartet and absolutely shined in WSC. Wayyyy tougher home pitches to boot as well.

Yes, so I believe unless you think Chappell was as good as Richards (Viv, not Barry whom you believe as top 10), this comparison is pointless.

Lillee>>Marshall confirmed

Have my questions on WSC. Home bullying to the upteenth in Tests.

 

[peterhrt]

so 47 with Larwood? seems like I was very close and just missed one hundred.

by the way, is their context behind his struggles with Constantine?

You probably got all four of his hundreds against Notts. He got another against Larwood and Voce for South against North at Old Trafford shortly before the Bodyline tour.

Constantine was a very good bowler. Better than Martindale whose Test figures are flattered by eight cheap wickets on a Bridgetown sticky when Constantine wasn't playing. He was quick but could also mix things up according to conditions, even turning to spin on occasions.

 

[OverratedSanity]

He referred to them as "from the jungle" which I suppose is a bit different than calling someone a monkey

It's worse.

 

[Johan]

Australia in the 70s and 80s was perfect for bowlers like Lillee and Holding as the pitches were indeed the classic bouncy and lightning fast but it was also brutal for inferior bowlers which Chappel got plenty of, not to mention for the first half of Gavaskar's career the pitches were designed for the quaret

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's worse.

Really dude, I have read that part. It might be culturally insensitive or a shitty thing to say, saying it was racist is honestly a stretch according to me.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Really dude, I have read that part. It might be culturally insensitive or a shitty thing to say, saying it was racist is honesty a stretch according to me.

He basically called them savages and said they should go back to the trees where they belong. It's one of the most blatantly racist things you can say.

 

[Johan]

You probably got all four of his hundreds against Notts. He got another against Larwood and Voce for South against North at Old Trafford shortly before the Bodyline tour.

Constantine was a very good bowler. Better than Martindale whose Test figures are flattered by eight cheap wickets on a Bridgetown sticky when Constantine wasn't playing. He was quick but could also mix things up according to conditions, even turning to spin on occasions.

Yeah that's probably it, in my method I got a list of all of Hammond's first class games with the scorecards and I scrolled and spotted all the Gloucestershire and Nottingham games and then went on with the classical method, with another hundred it hitting 47 makes complete sense.

Yeah makes sense, Constantine has a brilliant record against England considering the era and has a brilliant FC record too, so Hammond struggling against him makes sense.