Warne vs Gavaskar

[slcricfan1]

I didn’t see a post of him saying that. Did he actually say that or are you just assuming?



Yes it would’ve been more tactful, but anyone who knows anything about Gavaskar would never use the word tactful to describe the man. It doesn’t feel like bad taste it feels like he was asked a question, gave his answer and gave his reason. How dare he. Honestly its the person who asked him who should be questioned actually.





Poor judgement of a player and saying something in poor taste are two very different things.

The media knew he was gonna answer like that. Sunny couldn't help himself

 

[capt_Luffy]

going out and saying Indian spinners are better than Warne on the basis of their non-existent record against India is just pushing your bias to top, Gavaskar should've just given a non answer like "he's up there" and moved on imo, his comment just felt insensitive at the time and had people taunt him a bunch forcing him to apologize down the line.

Coronis pretty much gave the reply..... I don't think he said anything about the Indian spinners though. He just said he didn't think Warne was best when he was asked so. You can say it's not tactful, but if he really thinks so, don't think it's in poor taste. Now the comments he made after David Hookes' death........

 

[Johan]

I didn’t see a post of him saying that. Did he actually say that or are you just assuming?



Yes it would’ve been more tactful, but anyone who knows anything about Gavaskar would never use the word tactful to describe the man. It doesn’t feel like bad taste it feels like he was asked a question, gave his answer and gave his reason. How dare he. Honestly its the person who asked him who should be questioned actually.

here's the full comment

"For me, the Indian spinners and Muralitharan were certainly better than Warne. Because look at Warne's record against India. It was pretty ordinary against India," Gavaskar said

so sure does feel that way, but yeah certainly the person who asked the question should be questioned, and Sunny as well, the person asked a question sure to start a dickmeasuring contest, Sunny should've just avoided that instead of fully giving in to his biases

 

[subshakerz]

Sachin was suspect vs lesser bowlers like Cronje and had issues with Anderson's swing or did I imagine that.

And Lara’s home pitches were not flat. Tf are you talking about. Sabina was the fastest wicket in the world and Queens park and Kensington not too far behind. Bourda and the ARG were though.

Sachin having particular tics against Cronje or even the late career issues against Anderson didn't mean he had technical issues against slow medium and swing in general across his career.

Yeah in the 2000s WI pitched had flattened.

If Sachin had no weaknesses, he'd average the same as or close to the Don but he didn't. so obviously he did. Every batsman outside of the Don has flaws.

I never said Tendulkar had no weakness, just not technical deficiencies against a bowling type. He definitely had a minor issue with no high yield series unlike the other top tiers and Lara.

 

[subshakerz]

here's the full comment

"For me, the Indian spinners and Muralitharan were certainly better than Warne. Because look at Warne's record against India. It was pretty ordinary against India," Gavaskar said

so sure does feel that way, but yeah certainly the person who asked the question should be questioned, and Sunny as well, the person asked a question sure to start a dickmeasuring contest, Sunny should've just avoided that instead of fully giving in to his biases

Gavaskar apologized later, I wouldn't make a big deal of it.

 

[Coronis]

here's the full comment

"For me, the Indian spinners and Muralitharan were certainly better than Warne. Because look at Warne's record against India. It was pretty ordinary against India," Gavaskar said

so sure does feel that way, but yeah certainly the person who asked the question should be questioned, and Sunny as well, the person asked a question sure to start a dickmeasuring contest, Sunny should've just avoided that instead of fully giving in to his biases

Yeah its not disrespectful, its him responding to the question. Any answer he gave without lying and claiming Warne as the best would’ve been jumped upon anyway.

“No” - Gavaskar said Warne wasn’t the best spinner and was so disrespectful as to not give a reason!

“He’s one of the top spinners” - Gavaskar wouldn’t say whether Warne was the best or not, he was a ***** who completely avoided the question.

And again, everyone knowing who Sunny is and how he is would know that that wouldn’t magically occur.

 

[subshakerz]

Ambrose is better than the spinners yeah

Not for me due to questions about SC.

 

[DrWolverine]

Question : Is Warne the greatest spinner of all time?

Gavaskar : No, I wouldn't say that no. For me, the Indian spinners and Muttiah Muralitharan were certainly better than Shane Warne

Gavaskar : Because he did not have much success against Indian players who were very good players of spin, I don't think I would call him the greatest

Gavaskar : Muttiah Muralitharan with a greater success he had against India, I would rank him over Warne in my book

Gavaskar also praised him :
He mastered a craft which is so difficult to master, which is wrist spin. To pick 700-plus wickets like he did in Test cricket plus hundreds more in one-day cricket just tells you how good a bowler he was. For him to have bowled the way he did, the way he seemed to create magic, the way he seemed to be able to deliver magic deliveries at will was the reason why he was revered all over the world.

 

[DrWolverine]

Sunny was asked a question and he gave his opinion.

 

[Johan]

Yeah its not disrespectful, its him responding to the question. Any answer he gave without lying and claiming Warne as the best would’ve been jumped upon anyway.

“No” - Gavaskar said Warne wasn’t the best spinner and was so disrespectful as to not give a reason!

“He’s one of the top spinners” - Gavaskar wouldn’t say whether Warne was the best or not, he was a ***** who completely avoided the question.

And again, everyone knowing who Sunny is and how he is would know that that wouldn’t magically occur.

He's welcome to give his opinion, but as even Sunny later admits, the time wasn't correct for making comparisions of Warne and Asian spinners.

The question, the answer and everything just feels to be at the wrong place in the wrong time.

 

[Coronis]

He's welcome to give his opinion, but as even Sunny later admits, the time wasn't correct for making comparisions of Warne and Asian spinners.

The question, the answer and everything just feels to be at the wrong place in the wrong time.

Bollocks. The only reason he apologised was because everyone whinged unnecessarily because he didn’t suck Warne’s ****. Gavaskar’s said some monumentally stupid things in the past and this isn’t one of them.

As @DrWolverine showed he praised him. Showered him with praise actually. Ridiculous that people were upset by this.

 

[Johan]

Bollocks. The only reason he apologised was because everyone whinged unnecessarily because he didn’t suck Warne’s ****. Gavaskar’s said some monumentally stupid things in the past and this isn’t one of them.

As @DrWolverine showed he praised him. Showered him with praise actually. Ridiculous that people were upset by this.

If everyone found it to be in bad taste it probably just was in bad taste from both participants of the conversation to randomly decide to discuss Warne v Asian spinners and putting him down for his India record out of nowhere.

he did praise Warne, but again, I think the direction the conversation went in was very tone deaf.

 

[DrWolverine]

Bollocks. The only reason he apologised was because everyone whinged unnecessarily because he didn’t suck Warne’s ****.

Gavaskar’s said some monumentally stupid things in the past and this isn’t one of them.

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[sayon basak]

There you go, an actual Gavaskar vs Warne discussion.

 

[Johan]

Warne's a lot above as a cricketer I don't think anyone thinks otherwise

 

[DrWolverine]

There you go, an actual Gavaskar vs Warne discussion.

Warne : Top 1-2 spinner in the last 80 years
Gavaskar : Top 1-2 opener in the last 80 years

 

[sayon basak]

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That's not decisive. Post the rankings of them as a batsman and a bowler.

 

[Johan]

Warne has like two competitors for his spot in All Time XI as bowlers, that's without considering his handy batting and fielding. Gavaskar probably doesn't open for most All Time XIs.

 

[sayon basak]

Ok can we discuss who would have done better in wrestling match.


(Lol that wouldn't be close)

 

[OverratedSanity]

I watched the Gavaskar interview people are talking about, it was on an Indian news channel with Gideon Haigh as the other guest. The text posted here doesn't convey how awkward and spiteful it sounded. It was completely tactless. It happened the very day after Warne died and pretty much everyone watching had the exact same reaction: That gavaskar could've just said "Warne was one of the best but there were other great spinners too" instead of going on about how Indian batsmen owned him. It was tasteless af.