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Warne vs Gavaskar

Warne vs Gavaskar


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kyear2

International Coach
Yeah, I think Imran and Ambrose have sufficient cases over Warne.

And yeah, I think Gavaskar has a case over anyone not named Bradman, Hobbs and Tendulkar. Will leave at that and that you rate Barry over him so can't take your ratings of him seriously anyways.
How does one have a case over one who was better than him during his entire career. Viv was better than Sunny through his career.

And yes I rate Barry over him, so does most who watched the both of them. You like to pretend that this was just my opinion of him, it's not. During the first 6 years of Sunny's career, Barry was almost unquestionably the best batsman in the world. That might mean nothing to you, but it was an actual thing.

And your ratings of Sunny, and others also makes me not take your ratings if him seriously anyways.
Of course Sachin would be included in said list of 3, that Sunny doesn't have an argument against.

And following up on that, you include Sachin because again..., but he wasn't clear of Lara in his own era. That's was the one era where it can be legitimately claimed that it was split between two batsmen throughout.

If we really want to go there, Hobbs was the only batsman who separated himself from his peers in the way Bradman did. His pre WWI dominance were again, comparable only to Bradman's.

Sachin is closer to Viv and co than to Hobbs with regards to claims.

Sachin's was consistency and longevity. He basically did only marginally better than Lara vs the great pacers in the '90's and he too had his valleys, though less sever than BCL's, and they both struggled with injuries. He just played longer.

Viv's being that he mastered the ultimate era of fast bowling as the greatest ever player of said bowling, the way he dominated said bowling, his peak, and the fact that he was the only one to not have a dead pitch era and played no minnows. From '76 till the very late '80's he was unchallenged as the best batsman in the world (Sunny's career very much being included in that stretch), taking that mantle from again I'll repeat, his namesake.

So if we really want to start separating this top tier even further, it's Bradman and Hobbs, then Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, then again Smith, Lara and Hutton. Batsmen who actually were the best of their eras.
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
How does one have a case over one who was better than him during his entire career. Viv was better than Sunny through his career.

And yes I rate Barry over him, so does most who watched the both of them. You like to pretend that this was just my opinion of him, it's not. During the first 6 years of Sunny's career, Barry was almost unquestionably the best batsman in the world. That might mean nothing to you, but it was an actual thing.

And your ratings of Sunny, and others also makes me not take your ratings if him seriously anyways.
Of course Sachin would be included in said list of 3, that Sunny doesn't have an argument against.

And following up on that, you include Sachin because again..., but he wasn't clear of Lara in his own era. That's was the one era where it can be legitimately claimed that it was split between two batsmen throughout.

If we really want to go there, Hobbs was the only batsman who separated himself from his peers in the way Bradman did. His pre WWI dominance were again, comparable only to Bradman's.

Sachin is closer to Viv and co than to Hobbs with regards to claims.

Sachin's was consistency and longevity. He basically did only marginally better than Lara vs the great pacers in the '90's and he too had his valleys, though less sever than BCL's, and they both struggled with injuries. He just played longer.

Viv's being that he mastered the ultimate era of fast bowling as the greatest ever player of said bowling, the way he dominated said bowling, his peak, and the fact that he was the only one to not have a dead pitch era and played no minnows. From '76 till the very late '80's he was unchallenged as the best batsman in the world (Sunny's career very much being included in that stretch), taking that mantle from again I'll repeat, his namesake.

So if we really want to start separating this top tier even further, it's Bradman and Hobbs, then Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, then again Smith, Lara and Hutton. Batsmen who actually were the best of their eras.
Over careers, I don't think there's much to separate Viv and Sunny. That pretty much covers it. After Don, it's Hobbs and Tendulkar; then Sobers, Lara, Smith, Hutton, Viv and Sunny.
 

Sliferxxxx

U19 12th Man
Sachin didn't have a weakness against any particular type of bowling.

Lara did against high quality pace (not just normal standard express guys) to the point where it became a frequent issue for him throughout his career, especially away from home where his pitches were flatter anyways. And there are enough samples to show that. Not saying he was an absolute failure but it was an issue that dogged him.
If Sachin had no weaknesses, he'd average the same as or close to the Don but he didn't. so obviously he did. Every batsman outside of the Don has flaws.
 

sayon basak

International Captain
Yeah iirc he was asked if he thinks Warne is the greatest leg spinner and he basically said Warne didn't perform against India so he can't be the best leg spinner
Then who is the greatest leg spinner according to him??? Kumble?
 

Johan

International Regular
Not that I like Sunny as a person, but what about that is in poor taste?
I mean, I don't understand why it's in poor taste as well..... They literally asked him if he thinks Warne is the best according to him.

going out and saying Indian spinners are better than Warne on the basis of their non-existent record against India is just pushing your bias to top, Gavaskar should've just given a non answer like "he's up there" and moved on imo, his comment just felt insensitive at the time and had people taunt him a bunch forcing him to apologize down the line.
 

Coronis

International Coach
going out and saying Indian spinners are better than Warne on the basis of their non-existent record against India is just pushing your bias to top,
I didn’t see a post of him saying that. Did he actually say that or are you just assuming?

Gavaskar should've just given a non answer like "he's up there" and moved on imo, his comment just felt insensitive at the time
Yes it would’ve been more tactful, but anyone who knows anything about Gavaskar would never use the word tactful to describe the man. It doesn’t feel like bad taste it feels like he was asked a question, gave his answer and gave his reason. How dare he. Honestly its the person who asked him who should be questioned actually.



And the fact that he said no indicates that he has a poor taste. Among the one's he had seen, it shouldn't have been close.
Poor judgement of a player and saying something in poor taste are two very different things.
 

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