Curtly Ambrose vs Wasim Akram

[Coronis]

I mean, why bump for the sake of bumping?

 

[sayon basak]

I mean, why bump for the sake of bumping?

Because Garner for his batting.

 

[DrWolverine]

I think the reason for it is he became a lot less penetrative in the second half of his career due to injury

True

He was impossible to score like before but just was not as good at taking wickets after the injury

 

[sayon basak]

Ambrose WPM is very low for an ATG and without any particular reason.

It's still over 4, unlike Wasim.

 

[DrWolverine]

Pre injury : 48 Tests. 218 wickets @ 21.08. 11 5-Fer
Post injury : 50 Tests. 186 wickets @ 20.89. 11 5-Fer
Ambrose was just damn good

 

[DrWolverine]

If we have to select ATXI then most people would prefer Akram over Ambrose because they would expect McGrath to do the Ambrose role .

Unpopular opinion :

McGrath is greater

Ambrose is better

 

[Johan]

Unpopular opinion :

McGrath is greater

Ambrose is better

not at all

 

[kyear2]

Love Wasim, and he might fit an ATG team better with his variation, but Curtly no question.

Think this basically sums it up.

 

[sayon basak]

not at all

Still good for an unpopular opinion tbh.

 

[kyear2]

Nobody is fixed.

Kindly disagree.

I would respectfully argue that there are 3 that are pretty much fixed.

 

[kyear2]

How isn't this close? Aren't top 10 guys supposed to be close?

I have one outside of the top 10 though. 12th or 13th.

 

[kyear2]

Unpopular opinion :

McGrath is greater

Ambrose is better

Before the injury, there's an argument. Over the course of the career, Ambrose is just a little behind.

 

[sayon basak]

Nobody is fixed.

What about Hammond?

 

[sayon basak]

Kindly disagree.

I would respectfully argue that there are 3 that are pretty much fixed.

Bradman, Sobers are pretty much locked, along with Gilchrist.

As you'd have to go for two openers, Hobbs is locked for that too imo. Not sure if Sachin and Imran is locked (would like to think so, but they are not ig, Specially Imran). You must pick one of Marshall/McGrath/Hadlee, but guess that doesn't qualify as to be locked. One of Muralitharan and Warne should be picked, but they aren't auto choice either.

So I think Don, Sobers and Gilchrist probably?

 

[Johan]

technically, my whole team is locked with potential for only one replacement.

 

[sayon basak]

technically, my whole team is locked with potential for only one replacement.

What does your team look like?

 

[Johan]

What does your team look like?

1. Sir Jack Hobbs
2. Sir Len Hutton
3. Sir Donald Bradman
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Sir Viv Richards
6. Sir Garfield Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Sir Richard Hadlee
9. Malcolm Marshall
10. Shane Warne
11. Glenn McGrath

can be convinced to replace Warne with Barnes

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

1. Sir Jack Hobbs
2. Sir Len Hutton
3. Sir Donald Bradman
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Sir Viv Richards
6. Sir Garfield Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Sir Richard Hadlee
9. Malcolm Marshall
10. Shane Warne
11. Glenn McGrath

can be convinced to replace Warne with Barnes

Don’t think there is any Barnes lover in this forum. By that I mean I haven’t seen him as The Goat in anyone’s list tbh. So, no one to really convince you here among current posters I think.

 

[sayon basak]

1. Sir Jack Hobbs
2. Sir Len Hutton
3. Sir Donald Bradman
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Sir Viv Richards
6. Sir Garfield Sobers
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Sir Richard Hadlee
9. Malcolm Marshall
10. Shane Warne
11. Glenn McGrath

can be convinced to replace Warne with Barnes

The only places I'd change are Hadlee with Imran and Warne with Muralitharan (and Hutton with Grace, tho I'd probably go with Hutton if I had to exclude Grace)
I'm ok with Warne (and more than ok with Barnes and really hope you go with Barnes).
But Hadlee and McGrath are similar kind of Bowlers, Really think you'd need some reverse swing from Imran, plus his batting was significantly better.

 

[sayon basak]

Don’t think there is any Barnes lover in this forum. By that I mean I haven’t seen him as The Goat in anyone’s list tbh. So, no one to really convince you here among current posters I think.

@Johan aren't you a Barnes' lover yourself? You place him in top 4/5 iirc.