Curtly Ambrose vs Viv Richards

[Coronis]

Like Bumrah has figures close to this, against better teams on average...... Waqar also relatively feasted on weak line-ups like NZ

Better to feast on New Zealand rather than famine, imo.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Better to feast on New Zealand rather than famine, imo.

Failing spectacularly against NZ is a sign of a Great player!!! Just look at Garry Sobers

 

[capt_Luffy]

Bumrah has been rotated a lot. Perhaps missing out on Asian conditions tests isn't good for his record in isolation, but Waqar got burnt out by Pakistan. He might have benefitted from the way Bumrah has been managed. Don't think he had as many tools though.

Yes, Bumrah benefitted from rotation and not playing in Pakistan (I don't think he would had lost a sweat in SL and is ATG in India, but Pakistan is really a bowlers graveyard). And on overall career value, Waqar is better. But I think it kinda gets ignored that Waqar performed against some pretty weak line-ups in his peak.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Viv easily.

Viv's WI bowling counterpart is Marshall.

For Ambrose, the closer comparison is Lara.

I mean, Marshall is clearly superior to Viv in Tests; but agree Lara is closer to Ambrose though

 

[subshakerz]

I mean, Marshall is clearly superior to Viv in Tests; but agree Lara is closer to Ambrose though

Marshall may be better but Viv is greater.

 

[BazBall21]

Yes, Bumrah benefitted from rotation and not playing in Pakistan (I don't think he would had lost a sweat in SL and is ATG in India, but Pakistan is really a bowlers graveyard). And on overall career value, Waqar is better. But I think it kinda gets ignored that Waqar performed against some pretty weak line-ups in his peak.

Yeah I agree. Hence I don't think Waqar had the best ever peak like some say.

 

[sayon basak]

Marshall may be better but Viv is greater.

I like that.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Marshall may be better but Viv is greater.

Not without including ODIs.

 

[Johan]

Kohli 2016-2019>Waqar 1990-1994

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Failing spectacularly against NZ is a sign of a Great player!!! Just look at Garry Sobers

or Zak Crawley!!

 

[subshakerz]

Not without including ODIs.

Yeah just in tests. Based on career and impact.

 

[DrWolverine]

I mean, Marshall is clearly superior to Viv in Tests; but agree Lara is closer to Ambrose though

True
Good comparison
Last 80 years
Lara : Top 5 batter
Ambrose : Top 5 fast bowler

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah just in tests. Based on career and impact.

Nah, I ain't buying that

 

[Johan]

True
Good comparison
Last 80 years
Lara : Top 5 batter
Ambrose : Top 5 fast bowler

You see, Hutton........

 

[Fanboy375]

Ambrose did not play much matches in Asia in test.In odi his ave was 27 when his overrall ave was 24.So if he played in Ind his ave would not be 21 or 22.Like Ntini he is a dangerous player in SENA countries but not much outside of that

 

[Fanboy375]

True but it is interesting

What about footballer vs cricketer in the future in general sports area

 

[Fanboy375]

Viv easily

Ambrose is completely unproven on Pakistani dead wickets and Rank turners (India), Viv doesn't have that problem with his record.

He didn't even played in Ind in test unlike other great bowlers

 

[Fanboy375]

Viv and Waqar is a poor comparison. Waqar tailed off too soon.

Waqar career is like reverse of Anderson.

 

[Johan]

Ambrose did not play much matches in Asia in test.In odi his ave was 27 when his overrall ave was 24.So if he played in Ind his ave would not be 21 or 22.Like Ntini he is a dangerous player in SENA countries but not much outside of that

bro really should hesitate

 

[Fanboy375]

Also Viv can ball and take few wickets unlike Ambrose who is not Wasim with bat