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**Official** England in New Zealand 28 Nov-18 Dec 2024 - 3 Tests

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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
LangleyburyCCPlayer said:
Thought it was a bit mad that Stokes bowled so much here, there’s no need at all when you’re not one of the main 3 seamers. If it’s an issue which will affect him in the medium term, then I imagine Woakes will be the beneficiary, although his batting has very much declined of late, I do wonder if Carse, Atkinson or Ahmed could do a job up at 6 or 7 at Test level
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Yeah, he did it because he's such a fierce competitor but I wonder in hindsight whether him bowling so many overs in Hamilton was a significant mistake. I know you don't want to put guys in cotton wool but at 2-0 and coming back from the knee, to bowl 24 overs then an intense load in the second, it's not worked out well. And that's not good with what's ahead
 
Immenso

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
Skyliner said:
A deeply concerning article on Cricinfo. I had assumed, or convinced myself, that Kane would bow out after the 4 test tour of Australia. To think he might walk away from test cricket while still in such sublime form and we’ll lose him to the T20 franchise dross….😔

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Kane is freelance, and may miss that low stakes tour, he certainly is no longer obligated/copntrcted to go on it (if it were to to be skipped, most likely voluntarily on his behalf - or possibly by the selectors/his mutual decision to give experience to someone else. e.g. debut Mariu and move Young to 3 etc)

The answers Kane was giving can be read that way, rather than any permanent test retirement talk.
 
Skyliner

Skyliner

State Captain
SteveNZ said:
Yeah, he did it because he's such a fierce competitor but I wonder in hindsight whether him bowling so many overs in Hamilton was a significant mistake. I know you don't want to put guys in cotton wool but at 2-0 and coming back from the knee, to bowl 24 overs then an intense load in the second, it's not worked out well. And that's not good with what's ahead
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It seems absolutely crazy, you have to wonder why he'd do it. He basically just kept pushing himself until he broke down, and for what? England have won the series and he'd already proven he could make some sort of limited bowling contribution. He's best used as a point of difference in short spells, a disrupter and partnership breaker.
 
Immenso

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
Giving up and tanking it in the field, only 2 and a half days into a test match, is not 'saving test cricket'.

But serious point minus the jibe above. What a weird days test cricket. I would be disgusted if I was an English fan.

And it seems self inflicted. Not bowling your spinner at all in the fist innings. Keeping yourself out there an extra hour in the first innings with defensive bowling to the last wicket partnership. Not properly managing the workload of your returning from injury captain. Only giving your bowlers a 30 over break by bazballing gone bad. Of which the bowlers are equally to blame, Potts dismissal for example, vomit.

Despite this,. they got a lucky break with an extra session's rest due to the rain.

Yet they bowled and fielded like they've been out their for 150 overs in the 4th innings of a 4th test of a 3 month long tour. And broke their captain because of it. Refused to take the second new ball, yet even the part time spinners rolled the innings up quickly as soon as they eventually took it.

They've actually only been in the field for 321 overs the entire series. That is 3.5 days of standard 90 over days. They gave up at about the 270ish over mark. So - 3 days worth of bowling.

Tankers. Stewards inquiry needed.
 
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Skyliner

Skyliner

State Captain
Immenso said:
Kane is freelance, and may miss that low stakes tour, he certainly is no longer obligated/copntrcted to go on it (if it were to to be skipped, most likely voluntarily on his behalf - or possibly by the selectors/his mutual decision to give experience to someone else. e.g. debut Mariu and move Young to 3 etc)

The answers Kane was giving can be read that way, rather than any permanent test retirement talk.
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If he missed Zimbabwe it would be a plus in my book, gives more opportunity to others to develop. It would be utterly inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. 2026 is a massive year for NZ test cricket, to lose Kane from the test side at this juncture would be a big blow to our plans.
 
grecian

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
SteveNZ said:
Yeah, he did it because he's such a fierce competitor but I wonder in hindsight whether him bowling so many overs in Hamilton was a significant mistake. I know you don't want to put guys in cotton wool but at 2-0 and coming back from the knee, to bowl 24 overs then an intense load in the second, it's not worked out well. And that's not good with what's ahead
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It's pure macho BS IMHO.

He could be perfectly effective bowling a quickish 10 overs an innings, now we have to work him in just as a bat, when we have plenty of middle-order bats, If we dropped Crawley and he went top 3, that may help, but neither seem likely.
 
Skyliner

Skyliner

State Captain
'The ECB say: "Ben will be further assessed at the end of the Test. If required, he is expected to bat in England's second innings."'
 
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