*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

[Immenso]

Come on, we don't need a specialist fielding coach. That stuff is absorbed by osmosis by the coaches and players. Just requires focus. Sure, get in someone for a one-off session to reset.

A whole extra (9th) round of Plunket Shield could be put back into the calendar at the expense of fielding coach's salary.

 

[Immenso]

The 'prepared to get out the chequebook' for the next ocach could mean prepared to buy out a contract. Not just mean sign an available 'big' name.

 

[Immenso]

I'd be more confident in Gillespie, by far, than someone like Gary Kirsten.

I feel Kirsten is on the treadmill, just for the sake of it.

While Pakistan was Gillespie's first international team coaching position. So, would assume he is still ambitous.

I'd prefer Malan, though.

 

[Athlai]

We should make the bold choice that really shows the way NZC intends to move forward.

10 more years of Stead.

 

[SteveNZ]

I wonder if someone like Oram could be a future BC's head coach. Has mainly had assistant roles to date.

Former player Jacob Oram to join Black Caps as bowling coach

"I'm really excited to have the opportunity to be involved with the Black Caps again."

www.rnz.co.nz

Oram strikes me as one of those lifers who hangs around the environment for years, if not decades on end, doing enough to keep a job but not enough to offer anything outside the box or insightful to move it forward. He's been in that set-up for a long time, whether it's as a player, it's at domestic level, with the women's game and now with the national men's side. Ronchi is another one. What can we see that is moving our batsmen forward from him? Jurgensen another.

I'm more interested in the Andre Adams, the Malans, these guys who are not institutionalised inside NZC and are not afraid to bring new ways of doing things. That has to sit comfortably with the Board and Weenink etc or we'll keep getting the same crap we've had for 5 years.

 

[SteveNZ]

We should make the bold choice that really shows the way NZC intends to move forward.

10 more years of Stead.

I do not like your dark humour.

 

[SteveNZ]

At the very least, given what he accomplished with KJ, it seems possible he'd make an excellent bowling coach.

To me, that's about him as a person. Malan wasn't a bowler in his playing days. But he obviously created a great working relationship with KJ and was smart enough to upskill himself and find a way to make him world-class. That speaks volumes to me, as did KJ's endorsement of him. I keep saying this name but Andre is the same. Those NSW bowlers (Haze, Cummins, Starc) speak very highly of him

And yeah I agree with Immenso. Fielding coaches are not required. It's volume of practice and attitude, nothing else. These guys know how to catch, where to stand, how to throw etc.

 

[Bahnz]

Wasn't Andre briefly a part of the NZ coaching set-up earlier this year? It's - er - interesting that they decided to move on from him almost immediately for Jacob Oram.

 

[Flem274*]

Oram was one of the rabble rousers on a certain 2012 tour as well. His overly loud pass agg bus sooking from memory.

 

[SteveNZ]

Wasn't Andre briefly a part of the NZ coaching set-up earlier this year? It's - er - interesting that they decided to move on from him almost immediately for Jacob Oram.

Women's team, I think? Or is that what you were referring to, as Oram worked in that environment. Interestingly, it doesn't make any mention of it on his Linkedin page. https://www.nzc.nz/news-items/archive/andre-adams-returns-to-the-white-ferns/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cr...rns-bowling-coach/QAFZYXRGPXUFX5XOAWN5MBSDUE/

Oram was one of the rabble rousers on a certain 2012 tour as well. His overly loud pass agg bus sooking from memory.

Was definitely one of the prima donna/bitchy types at the back of the bus.

 

[jcas0167]

In his recent AMA Ricky Ponting says if he could come back and play cricket for another country he would choose NZ. Would make an excellent coach too I imagine but probably would be too much of a time commitment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/s/sPFDEb7qUR

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Guys I already told you that I'll do it.

 

[Bahnz]

I can see the headline now:

"Cricket fans baffled as New Zealand coach suddenly resigns after Trump 2028 election victory"

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Lol

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Guys I'm going to be resigning

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

for another 3 year coaching stint

 

[NZTailender]

Can we somehow get Allan Donald back as bowling coach pls (if Andre Adams won't do it)

 

[DougieRydal]

Oram strikes me as one of those lifers who hangs around the environment for years, if not decades on end, doing enough to keep a job but not enough to offer anything outside the box or insightful to move it forward. He's been in that set-up for a long time, whether it's as a player, it's at domestic level, with the women's game and now with the national men's side. Ronchi is another one. What can we see that is moving our batsmen forward from him? Jurgensen another.

I'm more interested in the Andre Adams, the Malans, these guys who are not institutionalised inside NZC and are not afraid to bring new ways of doing things. That has to sit comfortably with the Board and Weenink etc or we'll keep getting the same crap we've had for 5 years.

Paul Wiseman, Bob Carter, the list goes on

 

[jcas0167]

Just looking up what Wiseman is doing I came across this interview with him from June. I didn't realise there was a development camp in Chennai featuring the likes of Robinson, Hay and Foxcroft.

Paul Wiseman: 'We don't have the numbers India or England have, so we have to be smart with what we've got'

New Zealand's talent identification manager talks about developing the side's next generation of quicks and spinners

www.google.com

 

[anonymouskefe]

Finn Allen first bbl game: 6 next ball skittled by Milne