ataraxia
International Coach
Really?
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Dennis Lillee vs Fred Trueman
- Thread starter subshakerz
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Line and Length
Cricketer Of The Year
Interestingly the list of top pace bowlers, as voted by CW members a year or so ago, has them in 7th and 8th position - just ahead of Akram. About right IMO.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Yup thought Lillee has a better reputation here.
Coronis
International Coach
Nah Lillee has always been lambasted here for his lack of Asian conditions.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
He's losing to Hoggard.
Chin Music
State Vice-Captain
Trueman didn't actually play a lot of cricket outside of England, even for his era so it is hard to really judge him in the modern context that fully.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
How is it possible these guys are tied?
Coronis
International Coach
Both high WPM bowlers, with a high percentage of home tests and questions about their records.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Close one
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Lillee has a six vote lead a day after the necro. Interesting.
Coronis
International Coach
Looks more like 4 to me.
HouHsiaoHsien
International Debutant
Lillee easily. The only hole in Lillee’s record is not performing in SC, and that’s not that big an issue perhaps as many have pointed that pacers from that era did well in India atleast. Lillee was a beast as a match winner: incredible WPM despite not being a lone horse in the vein of Hadlee or Murali. Lillee even had an ATG series like the ATG WI of 1980s.
kyear2
International Coach
Trueman was a htb, at least Lillee performed better away from home, even if it was primarily in said same England.
DrWolverine
First Class Debutant
Lillee
kyear2
International Coach
He was either dropped because they didn't think he would have been effective or personality issues.
But he was dropped more than a bowler of his standing should have been.
Johan
International Debutant
He was mostly beefing with the board because he was, to put it lightly, a bit of a ****, regardless did well in his second trips to West Indies and Australia. Think his away record is judged pretty harshly for having those 2 tests as an ATG bat on absolute flat tracks in Windies, he proved himself right in the next series.
kyear2
International Coach
Hutton had him dropped for playing reasons, I believe as well
Johan
International Debutant
IIRC he was being a pain in the ass off field going against Hutton's policies like not befriending Windies players and did something that led to one of his checks being blocked, he also struggled in the first two games though iirc they were proper flatties and he was facing the three Ws as a 22 year old, so I don't take it too seriously and he did perform in the third game but yeah, I kind of think Hutton hindered Trueman's career stemming from a decision which was very likely made off of personal opinions due to off field behaviour.
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